Anders Breivik Trial

[TWOCHOICEStom]

ONLY 5%! The Nazis were only polling 3% in Germany in the twenties but in less than twenty years they were causing havoc throughout Europe, and there were many in this country then who refused to see the danger, while mocking and insulting those who were warning of what was happening.
5% is a frightening large figure for a group that could be numbered as a few thousand when I was born; and a group which to a great extent refuses to assimilate and becomes more, rather than less, entrenched in its views with succeeding generations.

You state that as if all Islamic people are hell bent on turning the country Muslim. They're not.

 

[JonathanLivingstonSeagull]

The Nazis were a homespun collection of contrary ideas. National Socialist German People's Party. National (right wing) Socialist (Left) German (Catch-all tubthumping) People's (Same/Vague Left Wing Connotations but still fluid)

They were designed to fill a vacuum of discontent amongst Germans suffering a weak government blamed for the humiliating terms of a treaty made at the end of the previous war.

They were designed to exploit the majorities sensibilities and had a fairly unique set of nationally shared social grievances to market to.

Islam has none of these factors. It won't happen. This is besides the fact that those percentages are probably spun by extremist racists who are only minded that way to distract them from the unexplored homosexuality that knocks on the door to their mind with furious energy.

 

[Silent Bob]

ONLY 5%! The Nazis were only polling 3% in Germany in the twenties but in less than twenty years they were causing havoc throughout Europe, and there were many in this country then who refused to see the danger, while mocking and insulting those who were warning of what was happening.
5% is a frightening large figure for a group that could be numbered as a few thousand when I was born; and a group which to a great extent refuses to assimilate and becomes more, rather than less, entrenched in its views with succeeding generations.

So we need to be Nazis before The f***ing Muslims beat us to punch.

Lovely stuff.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Dont agree with the death penalty, all too easy to dispense of a criminals life, no matter what the crime, (even though he took so many lives) or the cost of keeping him alive. He should be kept in confinement until he snuffs it. Make him endure a life behind bars in a cell.
There is a fine line between justice, and revenge.

Have always been totally opposed to the death penalty, but this case has come closer than any other to making me rethink that. Apart from anything else, I have always thought that I would not be prepared to flick the switch, pull the lever or whatever to send someone to their death, and I would not be prepared to expect anybody else to do it on my behalf.

If he is not mad, he is evil, and I as someone who usually works on the default position that everybody has some good in them, I find that very difficult.

 

[daveinprague]

Sadly, only a madman would think killing 69 children was 'out of love'... so I imagine it will be a secure hospital.

 

[cunning fergus]

Sadly, only a madman would think killing 69 children was 'out of love'... so I imagine it will be a secure hospital.

How many kids did the IRA kill out of love for Ireland and hatred of the British?

To possess the extreme hatred that AB must have had for those kids logically must mean he had a correspondingly extreme sense of love for whatever he wanted to protect.

People driven to acts of madness are not by default mad...............Parents have still killed their own children because they love them.

 

[daveinprague]

Sorry, I consider him a complete and utter lunatic.

I dont like terrorists of any flavour, but killing 69 children is not terrorism. Its mass murder of children, who he targetted. To try and gloss a 'cause' onto it doesnt work for me.
Yes, terrorists of all flavours kill children, but they dont specifically target them like this maniac did.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

He is the Christian version of Al Queda. Infact Breivik, although hating Al Queda and Islamic fundamentalists, respects them for their work. Breivik's whole thrust is that Europe will be ruled by the Muslim and Islam communties within 80 years, that's why he did it. I personally do not know if he is insane, he is a very intelligent and articulate Man, whether people like it or not and what is freaking people out the most the way he is calm, polite and explaining his actions in a clear and concise way. Breivik does not conform to the stereotypical psychopath or nutter.

Society will rightly decide what he did was insane or evil but how do you draw the line or decide ? What he did was abhorent and as I said he has more in common with those he despises than he thinks. Ironic really.

The whole trial thing has given him the platform to spend 4 days giving his views on the World so it seems odd to me that he has been given his days in the limelight as he will be absolutely loving this week.

What he has stated is that living in a psychiatric unit for the rest of his life would be hell, so I guess , there's your answer and it is a 100% certainty he will be found to be insane and this to be the outcome after the 10 weeks.

 

[User removed 4]

Im also sure that a lot of them would not like to see him die either. I know I would not.

I suspect you are talking rubbish here.

 

[Racek]

I suspect you are talking rubbish here.

What? That some victims families don't want the killer to die! Do you want some examples dear child?

 

[sten_super]

I personally do not know if he is insane, he is a very intelligent and articulate Man, whether people like it or not and what is freaking people out the most the way he is calm, polite and explaining his actions in a clear and concise way. Breivik does not conform to the stereotypical psychopath or nutter.

Society will rightly decide what he did was insane or evil but how do you draw the line or decide ?

I agree with a lot of what you say. I'm not even slightly qualified to properly evaluate his mental state, but while he is clearly delusional (in the non-medical sense) he does seem to have a clear understanding of what he's done.

I'm also in agreement with [MENTION=22975]DavidinSouthampton[/MENTION], in that I'm normally very anti-death penalty, but my first reaction at the start of the trial was that death was what he probably deserved. At the end of the day though, US, I'm with you - let's do to him whatever he'd least like to be done, and if that's being cooped up in a mental institute for the rest of his natural life then do it.

 

[User removed 4]

What? That some victims families don't want the killer to die! Do you want some examples dear child?

You didnt say "some" , you said "a lot of them" , which is why I said I suspect you're talking rubbish. You're trying to move the goalposts, unfortunately what you put , is there fror all to see..............dear child.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

It seems some of the survivors want to hear what drove him to it. What was most shocking to a lot of people was that this was carried out by a strong, white, and some my say handsome man in his early 30's and not some down and out nutter. He looks like the sort of Man, Hitler would have loved and is a prime example of the Hitler youth drive. The simularities are very close. Hitler wanted the extermination of what he saw as the " Jewishification of Europe " and Brievik wants the extermination of the " Islamification of Europe ". Notably Hitler wrote Mein Kampf whilst in prison, Brevik wrote his " manifesto " whilst holed up in his flat for a couple of years. Their similarites are striking. Brevik has no empathy with humanity, he resolutely thinks what he did was the right thing for the common good of Mankind and Hitler had the same idea's in the late 1930's. Brevik is chilling to look at, and unsettling. He has no soul as that went years ago and he is similar to Hitler in the 1930's. They are much the same to me.

 

[Barn Door Billy]

IMO the death penalty can not be justified as punishment due to its stunning hypocrisy - condemning murder yet murdering the criminal...
HOWEVER in this extreme and special case, It may be the best thing to do to kill him as it is clear he is so convinced by his views that he, unlike other murderers, will never reform. He himself stated that he "would do it again" - killing him is the only way to ensure the total protection of society. Although the death penalty fails as a punishment, in this case it may be the best and 'most loving' thing to do. The death penalty would be used to 'put him down', like you would a sick animal, and extinguish his appalling views, not as a punishment.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

IMO the death penalty can not be justified as punishment due to its stunning hypocrisy - condemning murder yet murdering the criminal...
HOWEVER in this extreme and special case, It may be the best thing to do to kill him as it is clear he is so convinced by his views that he, unlike other murderers, will never reform. He himself stated that he "would do it again" - killing him is the only way to ensure the total protection of society. Although the death penalty fails as a punishment, in this case it may be the best and 'most loving' thing to do. The death penalty would be used to 'put him down', like you would a sick animal, and extinguish his appalling views, not as a punishment.

Hard to argue with that but people will want to see him suffer and any compassion will be avoided.