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[Sussex] Albanian narco gangs.



BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
17,165
Tough one for the government and press when the political capital from the Albanian gangs/asylum conflation is a certain vote booster. To tackle the problem or not to tackle the problem, that is the question.
 




BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
17,165
The solution to the Albanians using the same routes into the UK as asylum seekers and recruiting at the camps is really a very simple one.

Put proper processing mechanisms in place so people don't need to get into dingees.

Well first stop treating the situation as political capital and accept that the UK has a responsibility to process asylum seekers just like the rest of the signatories to the refugee convention.
 


pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
The solution to the Albanians using the same routes into the UK as asylum seekers and recruiting at the camps is really a very simple one.

Put proper processing mechanisms in place so people don't need to get into dingees.

Well first stop treating the situation as political capital and accept that the UK has a responsibility to process asylum seekers just like the rest of the signatories to the refugee convention.
In the same token you might as well demand all EU countries put processing mechanisms in place in Africa and the Middle East so people dont need to pay people traffickers and cross the Med in death trap boats to get into Europe.
Not going to happen is it. You dont really see other countries setting up global asylum application centres in other countries around the world to apply for asylum in their own country.
Unless you are one of the very few individuals who applies in a diplomatic centre abroad and is given a visa to enter the UK in order to claim asylum ( exceptional route.) your only route for an asylum application is to be in the country you are claiming asylum in.

Claiming asylum should not be confused with refugee relocation for those already with refugee status abroad who apply to enter other countries under safe passage schemes
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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In the same token you might as well demand all EU countries put processing mechanisms in place in Africa and the Middle East so people dont need to pay people traffickers and cross the Med in death trap boats to get into Europe.
Not going to happen is it. You dont really see other countries setting up global asylum application centres in other countries around the world to apply for asylum in their own country.
Unless you are one of the very few individuals who applies in a diplomatic centre abroad and is given a visa to enter the UK in order to claim asylum ( exceptional route.) your only route for an asylum application is to be in the country you are claiming asylum in.

Claiming asylum should not be confused with refugee relocation for those already with refugee status abroad who apply to enter other countries under safe passage schemes

Those refugee relocation processes you talk about are exactly processing centre in Africa and the Middle east.

The difference between the (UK And Australia) is of course that it is and island. What our governments have tried to do is use this to their advantage to stoke up the 'asylum seeker issue's and try and not take their fair share. The opposite of this would be to think outside the box a little to work out an effective mechanism that works around the island problem.

If there is a will, it really doesn't take much out of the box thinking to come up with a mechanism to process asylum seekers quickly and efficiently and dramatically reduce the number paying people traffickers or jumping into bed with gangs to get in a dingy to get across the channel. Really the more efficient and quicker the process is the less dingies you will have. You will also lose less to the black market and illegal gangs.

If there was a will.
 
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pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Those refugee relocation processes you talk about are exactly processing centre in Africa and the Middle east.

The difference between the (UK And Australia) is of course that it is and island. What our governments have tried to do is use this to their advantage to stoke up the 'asylum seeker issue's and try and not take their fair share. The opposite of this would be to think outside the box a little to work out an effective mechanism that works around the island problem.

If there is a will, it really doesn't take much out of the box thinking to come up with a mechanism to process asylum seekers quickly and efficiently and dramatically reduce the number paying people traffickers or jumping into bed with gangs to get in a dingy to get across the channel. Really the more efficient and quicker the process is the less dingies you will have. You will also lose less to the black market and illegal gangs.

If there was a will.
The refugee relocation processes are processing refugees with refugee staus (usually via UNHCR in conjunction with third country safe passage programmes) they are not processing asylum seekers wishing to seek asylum in other countries far way.

Ask yourself the question........why havnt EU countries started mechanisms so people in Africa can apply for asylum from Africa before they go for the option of paying a people smuggler to transport them across the Med..?....

In extension of that, why hasnt the US for example set up mechanisms all across central and south America for people to apply for asylum from their homeland before embarking on a treacherous journey northward to enter the US so they can claim asylum when they finally enter US territory?
 




Rdodge30

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Dec 30, 2022
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With my very limited knowledge I could explain that up until September 2011 the majority of asylum claims were made and processed whilst the individual was outside Britain. If granted they could enter, if not they were refused entry, but the current government, under Cameron did away with that.

Since Brexit the Government have also closed the DUB Scheme, the Syrian scheme, the Iranian scheme, and all other routes for valid Asylum claims from abroad so that the only way to claim is by getting people smugglers to bring you to the UK. Therefor, anybody who gets on a boat to cross the channel IS NOT an 'illegal immigrant' and is simply taking this Government's preferred option for claiming asylum.

With the UK Government insisting that anyone wanting to claim asylum, regardless of where they are from, have to cross the channel on small boats in order to make a claim, and the average asylum claim taking in excess of 4.5 years to process (a twelve fold increase since this Government came to power). If I were an Albanian drug runner, controller of prostitutes or thief, I would think that this Government's complete incompetence (we would hope it's incompetence and not other possible reasons) with Asylum applications would mean that all my Xmas's had come at once and get myself on a boat in amongst all the genuine Asylum seekers:shrug:

A couple of other things that I have picked up with my very limited knowledge.

Even with this current explosion in numbers of Asylum applications, they are only getting back up to the same level they were 20 years ago.
We are way down the list of countries by Asylum Application numbers in Europe and we are negligible in World Terms.
Are there many/any refugees that cross the channel in small boats - whether Albanian or not- yet have no intention in claiming asylum but are simply attempting to ‘disappear’ into their own communities within the UK?
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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The refugee relocation processes are processing refugees with refugee staus (usually via UNHCR in conjunction with third country safe passage programmes) they are not processing asylum seekers wishing to seek asylum in other countries far way.

Ask yourself the question........why havnt EU countries started mechanisms so people in Africa can apply for asylum from Africa before they go for the option of paying a people smuggler to transport them across the Med..?....

In extension of that, why hasnt the US for example set up mechanisms all across central and south America for people to apply for asylum from their homeland before embarking on a treacherous journey northward to enter the US so they can claim asylum when they finally enter US territory?

I don't need to ask questions about other countries. We know the answer to the question: why don't the UK set up decent mechanisms to process asylum seekers?

We also know that these mechanisms would 'stop the boats' far more effectively than what they are doing now.

As I said if there was a will to provide an effective solution to the problem and to 'stop the boats'' it would happen fairly easily.

Any time in the last 13 years, if they were serious about providing a solution and not harvesting votes from the right wing we wouldn't be talking about (well we probably would because the mail et Al won't let up about it).
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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Are there many/any refugees that cross the channel in small boats - whether Albanian or not- yet have no intention in claiming asylum but are simply attempting to ‘disappear’ into their own communities within the UK?
I guess these are hard to count when they disappear.
 




sydney

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Jul 11, 2003
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town full of eejits
I reckon you could give JK Rowling a run for her money :lolol:
There have been Albanians supplying drugs in Worthing for over 5 years now , standard m.o get young Albanians to befriend local kids , introduce cocaine , bag here , bag there then present with a quantity of the stuff .....then inform the said locals that uncle Mesnat needs to see them to discuss their drug dept , bikes , mobile phones, jewellery , anything of any value is confiscated in lieu of paying off the debt. how do they pay off the debt...?? by selling cocaine for the syndicates , the Albanian top boys don't even touch the stuff and the local kids are scared shitless of them.

and that my old china , is a cold , hard , fact.
 


sydney

tinky ****in winky
Jul 11, 2003
17,777
town full of eejits
I don't need to ask questions about other countries. We know the answer to the question: why don't the UK set up decent mechanisms to process asylum seekers?

We also know that these mechanisms would 'stop the boats' far more effectively than what they are doing now.

As I said if there was a will to provide an effective solution to the problem and to 'stop the boats'' it would happen fairly easily.

Any time in the last 13 years, if they were serious about providing a solution and not harvesting votes from the right wing we wouldn't be talking about (well we probably would because the mail et Al won't let up about it).
we are talking about a regime that is now saying you will wait 3 months for a replacement passport, only way to stop the boats is to stop them leaving France. Unfortunately in the past when Britain has had major problems they have always relied on foreigners to bail them out , this isn't going to happen this time.
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
17,165
There have been Albanians supplying drugs in Worthing for over 5 years now , standard m.o get young Albanians to befriend local kids , introduce cocaine , bag here , bag there then present with a quantity of the stuff .....then inform the said locals that uncle Mesnat needs to see them to discuss their drug dept , bikes , mobile phones, jewellery , anything of any value is confiscated in lieu of paying off the debt. how do they pay off the debt...?? by selling cocaine for the syndicates , the Albanian top boys don't even touch the stuff and the local kids are scared shitless of them.

and that my old china , is a cold , hard , fact.
Come on Sydney stay on topic and answer the question we are all wondering about.

Do they eat Swans?

Do some of the kids have to pay off their debts by hunting swans for the top boys?
 




sydney

tinky ****in winky
Jul 11, 2003
17,777
town full of eejits
Come on Sydney stay on topic and answer the question we are all wondering about.

Do they eat Swans?

Do some of the kids have to pay off their debts by hunting swans for the top boys?
don't know about swan eating but drug distribution is definitely game on.
 


South Oz Seagull

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Jan 2, 2022
306
Norwood SA
A depressing read. You'll never get rid of supply, it's a shame that those who demand cocaine for selfish recreational use have no soul either as they couldn't care less re the impact of their actions. The effect on society is devastating and I think some elements of legalisation (of some drugs) should be given more consideration.

Indeed. It's much bigger than an "effect on society" though. It's a world-wide blight that's largely destroyed some countries in Latin America for example. Never thought I would think these thoughts, but it may be that legalizing so-called recreational drugs would be the lesser of two evils, the other of course being continuing the "war on drugs", which is a war that can't be won.
 


South Oz Seagull

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Jan 2, 2022
306
Norwood SA
It's interesting to read the discussion here about the Albanian involvement in crime in your country. Seems fairly similar to something that began in Australia back in the days of Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser in the 1970's. To cut a very long and more complex story short, during the Lebanese civil war the jails in Lebanon were opened and a whole generation of Lebanese Muslim criminals made their way to Australia through the Fraser government's generous and weak migration policies. That government was a "conservative" government, by the way.

Moving forward to more recent years, about two thirds of people charged with terrorism in Australia have parents and grandparents who entered Australia through the afore-mentioned policies. And as for more conventional crime, there is a significant Middle Eastern crime phenomenum in Australia particularly in Sydney and Melbourne, that has its origins with the same people.

There seems to be some parallels here. The bottom line in all of this is how migration, illegal or otherwise, is handled. It needs to be approached with caution and the resident community should probably get the benefit of the doubt, if there's even a sniff there may be character issues with potential incoming migrant groups. Creating situations for future generations isn't ideal.
 






Pretty Plnk Fairy

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Jan 30, 2008
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This is a disgrace this foriegners takeing away jobs from triad and tested BRiTISH drugs gangs who wouldent hurt a fly if you knew the rules and when Ron and Reg were around you could leave you’re doors unlocked and still feel saferer than you could now.

regards

DF
 




WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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Are there many/any refugees that cross the channel in small boats - whether Albanian or not- yet have no intention in claiming asylum but are simply attempting to ‘disappear’ into their own communities within the UK?

Did you actually read the post of mine that you quoted ? I've highlighted the relevant bit for you as you obviously missed it :facepalm:

With my very limited knowledge I could explain that up until September 2011 the majority of asylum claims were made and processed whilst the individual was outside Britain. If granted they could enter, if not they were refused entry, but the current government, under Cameron did away with that.

Since Brexit the Government have also closed the DUB Scheme, the Syrian scheme, the Iranian scheme, and all other routes for valid Asylum claims from abroad so that the only way to claim is by getting people smugglers to bring you to the UK. Therefor, anybody who gets on a boat to cross the channel IS NOT an 'illegal immigrant' and is simply taking this Government's preferred option for claiming asylum.

With the UK Government insisting that anyone wanting to claim asylum, regardless of where they are from, have to cross the channel on small boats in order to make a claim, and the average asylum claim taking in excess of 4.5 years to process (a twelve fold increase since this Government came to power). If I were an Albanian drug runner, controller of prostitutes or thief, I would think that this Government's complete incompetence (we would hope it's incompetence and not other possible reasons) with Asylum applications would mean that all my Xmas's had come at once and get myself on a boat in amongst all the genuine Asylum seekers:shrug:

A couple of other things that I have picked up with my very limited knowledge.

Even with this current explosion in numbers of Asylum applications, they are only getting back up to the same level they were 20 years ago.
We are way down the list of countries by Asylum Application numbers in Europe and we are negligible in World Terms.
 








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