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A27 between Beddingham and Polegate
- Thread starter MissGull
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Lord Bracknell
On fire
Not Charleston Manor, but Charleston Farmhouse. Charleston Manor is between Litlington and West Dean.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
The two buildings are rather similar, but about five miles apart.
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-295734-charleston-manor-cuckmere-valley-east-su
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-292908-charleston-firle-east-sussex
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-295734-charleston-manor-cuckmere-valley-east-su
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-292908-charleston-firle-east-sussex
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,225
Not true.
- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,225
The police also use the layby at times as well as VOSA (there's a weighbridge there).
- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,225
There seems to be a few comments on this thread about overtaking. Where does it say someone was trying to overtake in this particular tragic incident?
Gazwag
5 millionth post poster
I don't think anybody was suggesting it was, the discussion moved to the general driving issues of the road rather than the actual incident itself.
flint
Active member
It's all down to local MP Norman Baker not approving the upgrade to dual carriage way.
You can drive from Aberdeen to Lewes on motorway or dual carriageway but not the last bit to Eastbourne and the result is lots of accidents between Lewes and Eastbourne. I know people should be careful but until ESCC get away from the idea that a road improvement is to introduce a speed limit the carnage will continue
You can drive from Aberdeen to Lewes on motorway or dual carriageway but not the last bit to Eastbourne and the result is lots of accidents between Lewes and Eastbourne. I know people should be careful but until ESCC get away from the idea that a road improvement is to introduce a speed limit the carnage will continue
Gazwag
5 millionth post poster
To be fair you can drive all the way from Aberdeen to just past Tonbridge on the A21 which is another awful piece of road with just the Lamberhurst bypass to give a little relief - generally the road system in East Sussex is terrible.
liam82
Onwards and Upwards
Discussing on here is one thing but perhaps people should let the council know their opinion? I did....
Sent to, road.safety@eastsussex.gov.uk
Hello
Following another fatal Crash on the A27 between Lewes and Eastbourne this week will it be taken into consideration that no part of the A27 between these 2 points is really safe for overtaking?
I have to use this road every day and this is the worst section of road I have to use between Eastbourne and Gatwick, I feel that it’s unfair that I have to take additional risk on a daily basis due to the poor standard of the road layout.
Widening the road to a duel carriageway will probably never happen but no overtaking, reduced speed limit or average speed checks could be introduced at much lower cost.
It would be interesting to know the councils position as far as this is concerned.
Kind regards
Sent to, road.safety@eastsussex.gov.uk
Hello
Following another fatal Crash on the A27 between Lewes and Eastbourne this week will it be taken into consideration that no part of the A27 between these 2 points is really safe for overtaking?
I have to use this road every day and this is the worst section of road I have to use between Eastbourne and Gatwick, I feel that it’s unfair that I have to take additional risk on a daily basis due to the poor standard of the road layout.
Widening the road to a duel carriageway will probably never happen but no overtaking, reduced speed limit or average speed checks could be introduced at much lower cost.
It would be interesting to know the councils position as far as this is concerned.
Kind regards
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
we went all the way from Eastbourne to the Kingstone roundabout on Wednesday and I (as the non driver) took particular notice of the road and there does not look like there are that many places to overtake on that stretch at all and we had a good straight run with no problems apart from one guy who thought it was OK to go round the roundabout at Drucillas and down to Newhaven without indicating.
HawkTheSeagull
New member
Speed is an issue - particularly at Middle Farm, but you can put speed limits in all you like - it doesnt mean people will stick to it.
The road should be a dual-carriageway - but in places there is no room for this and it would cost millions to relocate the road, not to mention possibly years of disruption.
The road should be a dual-carriageway - but in places there is no room for this and it would cost millions to relocate the road, not to mention possibly years of disruption.
- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,225
I understand your general concern about the road, but including this week's fatal collision as some sort of justification for the point you're trying to make is futile, as- once again- there is no suggestion that the incident in question was due to someone trying to overtake.
There are all sorts of reasons why these things happen. Distractions, mechanical failure, medical episodes, being impaired through drugs or alcohol, falling asleep at the wheel, failing to read a warning sign, misjudging a bend, going too fast, inexperience, etc.
Collision statistics are collated and fed back to the local authorities, which then determines which roads are improved, be that by signage, widening, lowering speed limits or whatever. That applies to that stretch of the A27 as much as anywhere else, therefore it can be assumed that East Sussex County Council are in possession of the relevant information and deem current statistics to fall within acceptable parameters.
Incidentally, the A24 is dual carriageway for stretches, yet has a history of fatal accidents comparable with the A27, I would wager. Generally- and I know nobody likes to hear this- it's not the roads that are the problem. It's the driving.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
If the road has completely restricted overtaking then it would be more of a nightmare than now. Tractors frequently use the road. I don't really fancy driving several miles needlessly slowly whilst opportunities for overtaking go begging. I often use that road early in the morning and it amazes me how often a driver will go at 30-40 mph on long clear stretches. It wouldn't be fair in that case either.
Guy Fawkes
The voice of treason
- Sep 29, 2007
- 8,212
Sussex is one of the widest counties in England, yet has the poorest roads for travelling east to west through it.
I know it's unlikely that that stretch of road will ever be upgraded to duel carriageway, but if drivers feel the need to overtake then surely it is safer to overtake using a lane where the traffic is travelling in the same direction as you rather than being made to overtake using a lane where traffic is heading head on towards you and at speed. Even if they were to only introduce shorter stretches of duel carriageway which allows an opportunity for safer overtaking.
I know what some people will say in response, that there is no real need to overtake and drivers should be patient, (but what if it's a tractor or someone else moving well below the speed limit, you can see why people try to overtake without speeding) but also this is the real world and because some think like that, should all road users on that stretch be put at greater than necessary risk because we have politicians and decision makers who view Sussex as a backwards, almost medievil rural county and want to try to keep it that way.
Places like Newhaven could have been much more sucessful and vibrant as a port if it had better transport links but surely the poor road network we have stops investment and therefore job creation too in this county. All the time, the cost of housing goes up due to London and it's commuters, but we are left with limited job opportunities in a low wage paying economy and more and more people being priced out of their home towns / villages
I know it's unlikely that that stretch of road will ever be upgraded to duel carriageway, but if drivers feel the need to overtake then surely it is safer to overtake using a lane where the traffic is travelling in the same direction as you rather than being made to overtake using a lane where traffic is heading head on towards you and at speed. Even if they were to only introduce shorter stretches of duel carriageway which allows an opportunity for safer overtaking.
I know what some people will say in response, that there is no real need to overtake and drivers should be patient, (but what if it's a tractor or someone else moving well below the speed limit, you can see why people try to overtake without speeding) but also this is the real world and because some think like that, should all road users on that stretch be put at greater than necessary risk because we have politicians and decision makers who view Sussex as a backwards, almost medievil rural county and want to try to keep it that way.
Places like Newhaven could have been much more sucessful and vibrant as a port if it had better transport links but surely the poor road network we have stops investment and therefore job creation too in this county. All the time, the cost of housing goes up due to London and it's commuters, but we are left with limited job opportunities in a low wage paying economy and more and more people being priced out of their home towns / villages