A country run by the church. Of course we are.

[Chicken Runner61]

I thought their God provides? He's certainly been very generous thus far.

I don't think money is Gods (if there was one) creation Nibble, and the wealth the church has was there long before we printed the stuff.

The church gives you nothing when you are born, the state gives you a National Insurance number to contribute to

 

[LamieRobertson]

But it does 'operate' in community halls.. U just seem to be focusing in one area and tarring the 'church' with the same brush ..to suit your argument

 

[Uncle C]

Did they? Genuinely interested to know when this happened. I thought everyone had chancel repair insurance anyway these days?

The right of the Church to take as much money as they want whenever they want existed since the time of Henry 8th. It was not invoked till a famous case in 2003. Since then people were able to take relatively cheap insurance. If you bought before that, then Solicitors did not inform of possible liability. Now its a known risk insurance is impossible or very expensive.

 

[Nibble]

But it does 'operate' in community halls.. U just seem to be focusing in one area and tarring the 'church' with the same brush ..to suit your argument

Yes, you are right it can and does operate in community centres, so why do sections of the church need so much wealth? It's proven it can be done without the money. Well, as I said, the upper echelons of the church are profiteers and happy to let the community leaders and estate parishners strive away in their tumble down buidlings while they prat about in robes worth hundreds of thousands preening themselves in self importance.

 

[Silk]

If the church is such a force for good I'd like to see them give up their wealth and tax breaks and seats in The Lords and property and see if they feel so strongly that they could sustain faith and a congregation that they'd be willing to do so without the accumulated wealth.

I think you will find the Church tries to use its accumulated wealth in the best possible way. The property the church holds is largely church buildings and accommodation for clergy and for the needy. And these are supported in large part by donations from church members. It's hard to see why you think that is a problem.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Yes, you are right it can and does operate in community centres, so why do sections of the church need so much wealth? It's proven it can be done without the money. Well, as I said, the upper echelons of the church are profiteers and happy to let the community leaders and estate parishners strive away in their tumble down buidlings while they prat about in robes worth hundreds of thousands preening themselves in self importance.

Its an interesting point..maybe God will judge them one day for it ...I've got a piece of work to do now before footie ..enjoy the day

 

[The Spanish]

most holy day in the christian calendar yesterday. very very widely observed up and down the country. its one thing to live in the modern world and see organised religion for what it is, and another to gleefully snipe at tradition and the longstanding prevailing culture of the country, heavily influenced by Christianity.

I am not religious but this multi culti year zero attitude is disrespectful immature and tedious. Its funny how these people would dare not pop off other faiths establishing themselves here.

 

[Nitram]

Yes, you are right it can and does operate in community centres, so why do sections of the church need so much wealth? It's proven it can be done without the money. Well, as I said, the upper echelons of the church are profiteers and happy to let the community leaders and estate parishners strive away in their tumble down buidlings while they prat about in robes worth hundreds of thousands preening themselves in self importance.

I think that most of the so called wealth is a bit of a hindrance to many in the church, mostly who seem to have mainly socialist/ left wing views. At the upper end of the church as you are referencing to the ceremonies performed are often linked to state occasions that make up our history and the pomp and circumstance come with that. The building are the same part of Britain's history that are so interwoven that they have to be preserved as a part of its history. In fact probably seen as non secular buildings by many in that the history and architecture is the more do I at interest. Anyway nice discussion and I can see most of it is to be in cheek.

 

[Soulman]

Top post Spanish.

 

[Baldseagull]

I think you will find the Church tries to use its accumulated wealth in the best possible way. The property the church holds is largely church buildings and accommodation for clergy and for the needy. And these are supported in large part by donations from church members. It's hard to see why you think that is a problem.

I believe the Church of England owns quite a bit of retail space, it has shares in money lending institutions including Wonga and other holdings that would not appear to fit with their preachings.
Catholic church is similarly involved in business not quite in line with their preachings, around the world.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I think you will find the Church tries to use its accumulated wealth in the best possible way. The property the church holds is largely church buildings and accommodation for clergy and for the needy. And these are supported in large part by donations from church members. It's hard to see why you think that is a problem.

The accommodation for clergy which is generally the second biggest property in the parish after the local gentry/land owner. Built not due to need but to show "importance".

The accumulated wealth has not been due to free giving.

 

[Silk]

I believe the Church of England owns quite a bit of retail space, it has shares in money lending institutions including Wonga and other holdings that would not appear to fit with their preachings.
Catholic church is similarly involved in business not quite in line with their preachings, around the world.

The problem here is that it's not easy to invest ethically, especially when you give responsibility for your investments elsewhere, there's a blurred line between what is legal and what is ethical and what is Christian. A hard line to tag, the Church is not infallible. Not ours, anyway.

 

[Silk]

The accommodation for clergy which is generally the second biggest property in the parish after the local gentry/land owner.

evidence? Certainly where I live most of the big old vicarages have been sold off.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

the CofE are in the process of 'responsibly' withdrawing their money (80k) from wonga (it was invested on their behalf). justin welby was hugely embarrassed when he found that out as he'd been openly very critical of pay day loan companies

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Excellent let's have the facts then........

Have you not been reading the papers over the weekend?

 

[Uncle C]

"I think you will find the Church tries to use its accumulated wealth in the best possible way. The property the church holds is largely church buildings and accommodation for clergy and for the needy. And these are supported in large part by donations from church members. It's hard to see why you think that is a problem."


And Chancel Repair Liability?

 

[Silk]

"I think you will find the Church tries to use its accumulated wealth in the best possible way. The property the church holds is largely church buildings and accommodation for clergy and for the needy. And these are supported in large part by donations from church members. It's hard to see why you think that is a problem."


And Chancel Repair Liability?

Is an absurd old law that is rarely used and should not be on the statute books.

 

[Questions]

My pie was nice today.

 

[Silk]

My pie was nice today.

Pleased for you.

 

[Questions]

Pleased for you.

Thank you, you are a good man.