[Politics] Brexit

cjd said:

With all the chaos going on at the moment, I thought it only right to tell you that I have just seen Baker Lite rowing a cast iron bath across the Atlantic.

I think I heard him say...." I'm on my way " before it disappeared into the murky waters.

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ManOfSussex said:

You're probably right about some of them wanting to remain. There's no version of leave they'd ever be happy with anyway.

I've been saying for ages on here that The ERG are just of bunch of clueless, oddball, freakoid, Tory toffs with posh accents who just blubber on about 'WTO terms' 'Our own free trade deals' 'Managed no deal' and all the rest of it without having a clue about what they're actually blubbering on about and people fell for it, hook line and sinker.

No hiding place anymore for them - they've now been exposed for the clueless, oddball, freakoid, Tory Toffs with posh accents that they always were.

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Kinky Gerbils said:

I think the only Brexit they would be happy with is one they can blame the EU if it goes wrong.

Pushing the no deal offers a get out for them if it goes wrong - The EU bullied us.

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JC Footy Genius said:

This notion we will sign up to any sh*t deal Trump gives us tells me more about your perception of the UK (weak/desperate) than about what will likely happen.

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Bold Seagull said:

Farage's rhetoric:
"fight"
"battle"
"treachery"
"betrayal"
"sacrifice"

From the man who couldn't walk more than a mile to make a point...

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Bold Seagull said:

Whether you believe they are incompetent or not, they are not at fault for this.

It would be like saying the Conservatives were responsible for the Iraq War. 84 Labour MPs rebelled against the war, only 2 Tories voted against, however the fault of the Iraq War is firmly at the door of Labour, and rightly so they were in GOVERNMENT.

Referendum - called by the Conservatives
Referendum campaigns - led by the Conservatives
General election - called by the Conservatives
Brexit deal - negotiated by the Conservatives.

The argument over Labour's incompetence is another discussion, but they were not invited to participate in the Brexit negotiations, they've not been part of it's formation, their position has been consistent since the election.

We can have a discussion about Labour on another thread, but they really are not at fault for this mess.

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Stat Brother said:

I don't believe the Labour Party can be excused from blame for Brexit.

Sure it's a different blame, the Conservatives are absolutely holding the winning hand of blame, they have right royally shafted everybody and I hope it isn't forgotten when we are next allowed an opinion.

But just because the Labour Party isn't holding the gun I don't believe it has done enough to wrestle the gun from the lunatics, for the greater good.

Just saying 'well they can't do anything' just doesn't cut it for me while they have been doing precisely nothing.

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cjd said:

With all the chaos going on at the moment, I thought it only right to tell you that I have just seen Baker Lite rowing a cast iron bath across the Atlantic.

I think I heard him say...." I'm on my way " before it disappeared into the murky waters.

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ManOfSussex said:

Any version of Brexit and The EU would get the blame, not them. Even out of The EU, they'd still have their pathological loathing default setting toward it and blame it for everything.

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deletebeepbeepbeep said:

'nothing' includes inflicting the biggest defeat on the gov in recorded history and the fourth biggest defeat in recorded history.

An alternate labour leader could have whipped in support of that shit deal.

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deletebeepbeepbeep said:

'nothing' includes inflicting the biggest defeat on the gov in recorded history and the fourth biggest defeat in recorded history

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JC Footy Genius said:

I gave my opinion on what type of Brexit I want/expect, you have yours but I think any BRINO solution (technically leaving) would leave most Brexiteer voters feeling betrayed and most remainers thinking we went through all this pain just to be tied to the EU with no say. Perfectly acceptable?

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vegster said:

Indeed, I would willingly accept the result of a referendum now that ALL the facts of what will happen are on the table plus for any election/referendum the likes of Cambridge Analytica will be closely monitored.

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Weststander said:

Cameron started this, but the two main parties have left us where we are.

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Stat Brother said:

In favour of what?

Please please don't get me wrong.
I blame the Tories I blame Cameron, Eton, power, that Tory banker Farridge, Johnson even before I get onto Gove and Mogg.
As said I (and I hope we) can all rant about Tory incompetence for hours without even mentioning May.

A bunch of privileged spoiled rich kids.

But just like all their parents, at no point has the Labour Party said to them 'No'.

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albion68 said:

Are the labour MP`s all ordinary folk then driving around in 10 yr old second hand cars ?

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