[Politics] Brexit

larus said:

As they have seen a leaver government now willing to actually leave without a deal, there have been comments from various EU parties that they are open to discussions.

Now, when us leavers said this would be that case if we threatened No Deal, we were ridiculed. But again, the reaminers have proven to be so out of touch with reality. All the time the EU think the parliament will block a No Deal Brexit, they have no incentive to negotiate. Now they have seen a different government, they are starting to slowly adjust,

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larus said:

As they have seen a leaver government now willing to actually leave without a deal, there have been comments from various EU parties that they are open to discussions.

Now, when us leavers said this would be that case if we threatened No Deal, we were ridiculed. But again, the reaminers have proven to be so out of touch with reality. All the time the EU think the parliament will block a No Deal Brexit, they have no incentive to negotiate. Now they have seen a different government, they are starting to slowly adjust,

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Publius Ovidius said:

Unfortunately that horse has bolted for me ..but hopefully I will get a decent pay off when what is left of my company transfers to mainland Europe.

Personally I really do hope that we can get a deal out of this mess. Who knows though.

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Thunder Bolt said:

No, it was Theresa May's idea. The other alternative was to have the border in the Irish Sea but the DUP voted against it.
We could still leave the EU but be in the single market which would solve the problem.

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theonlymikey said:

It's a good outlook on it. But also very wrong.

The EU are open to alternatives to the backstop.

Boris was given 30 days to find one (The mail reported this as a "victory ". However, an EU spokesman on Friday said despite being open to alternatives, they had no contact from the UK about a single alternative proposal in the 9 days following this.

Naive is the word of the day.

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theonlymikey said:

I won't ridicule you for the government lying to the public.

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theonlymikey said:

It's not the only deal that we can have. If this was true, Norway and Switzerlands agreements with the EU simply would not exist.

Let that sink in.

We had the option to make this easy for ourselves, but three years of pandering to ultra brexiters has produced a deal the worst of both worlds.

A customs union as a result of cross party collaboration would have got a majority. No tribalism, no red lines, common sense thrown in and we would have left 5 months ago.

less than a third of the country want no deal. Less than a third of the country think proroguement is acceptable.

So let's put it back to the people .

You will either get your how or we remain. But at least nobody could argue against the result in a preference referendum.

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shingle said:

Not very many people are there Notters. Even the London pic shows a crowd of only several thousand or so people down half of Whitehall. Looking forward to seeing some wide angle shots rather than the selective views of the twitterati.

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Lever said:

You are far too entertaining for me to do that at the moment.

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Bodian said:

Given that the EU would much prefer a softer Brexit, of course they would re-open discussions towards a new deal that incorporated it.

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larus said:

Oh dear. Another self-righteous remainer who thinks they are oh, so smart.

Look, I’ll break it slowly to you.
The remain side lied about everything.
They lied about a £30bln emergency budget.
They lied about 500,000 increase in unemployment
They lied about an immediate recession.
They lies about interest rate rises.
They lied about the future of the EU - it plans on being a superstate, with tax raising powers and it’s own army.
They lied about the on-going loss of sovereignty to national parliaments.

So, if you are so sure of your arguments, and so sure this is what the public ant, then why don’t remainers spell it out clearly to the people.

I never hear any reaminers saying why we should stay - only the fear of leaving.

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JC Footy Genius said:

It's not about what they would have preferred it's about the current reality. They have spent three years negotiating a deal they want and have repeatedly stated it can't be reopened.

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Grombleton said:

I think we have a full house on Leaver bingo here.

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Bodian said:

They don't 'want' the deal that has been negotiated. It was the only deal possible in the circumstances of May's red lines not something they 'wanted'. The EU have proposed various other things like Norway/EFTA - it's the UK that have turned these other options down. If we turned round now and said 'on second thoughts, we'll have one of those softer options', the EU would bite our hands off.

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Bodian said:

They don't 'want' the deal that has been negotiated. It was the only deal possible in the circumstances of May's red lines not something they 'wanted'. The EU have proposed various other things like Norway/EFTA - it's the UK that have turned these other options down. If we turned round now and said 'on second thoughts, we'll have one of those softer options', the EU would bite our hands off.

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Grombleton said:

I think we have a full house on Leaver bingo here.

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larus said:

The WA is a remainer cooked up treaty. (TM, Hammond, Robins, etc.). If only remainers would acknowledge the fact that it does not respect the referendum, it would be easier to have a sensible debate (oh, and if remainers would answer questions when others have answered theirs ).

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JC Footy Genius said:

Still waiting for any official quote where the Eu has said they will renegotiate even to a softer option at this stage. Btw the reason they would possibly bite our handoff is exactly the reason why we wouldn't want that deal.

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larus said:

I don’t want a No Deal, but i would go for a No Deal over the WA or any other legally binding treaty. Whatever we enter into we need to be able to leave if we want.

The only things which must be stuck to are:
End of free movement.
End of ECJ oversight.
End of rules/regulation being flowed down from Brussels (I understand that any company supply products to the EU must make their products comply with their regulations, but that is completely different).

i would like a FTA. Simple as - and that is what I voted for.

The WA is a remainer cooked up treaty. (TM, Hammond, Robins, etc.). If only remainers would acknowledge the fact that it does not respect the referendum, it would be easier to have a sensible debate (oh, and if remainers would answer questions when others have answered theirs ).

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larus said:

Typical loser reply. Can’t answer the questions - to ‘try’ to play the man.

No doubt we’ll get the usual “racist, xenophobic, thick” replies soon too.

Guess you’ll be bleating about how undemocratic Johnson is to call for a new Queens speech.

I’ve noticed how more extreme the remainers are now - like that **** Pullman saying that Johnson should be lynched. Wow, imagine a Brexiteer saying that - the outrage would be palpable on here.

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theonlymikey said:

Whats so bad about the ECJ?

Did those mean EU give us too many workers rights.

Did the mean EU give you too many human rights? We've been too spoilt. OUT. NEXT.

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