[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

mikeyjh · Jul 1, 2022

TomandJerry said:
Neil Parish, the former Conservative MP for Tiverton and Honiton,has said the Conservatives cannot show “double standards” and must remove the whip from former deputy chief whip Chris Pincher.

Parish, who formally resigned in May after admitting he had watched pornography twice on his phone in parliament, suggested that he believes the party whip could be withdrawn from Pincher before the end of Saturday.

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You have to love the Tories, tractor loving porno watching former MP having a pop at wine loving arse grabbing current MP. Still, it's all okay for their sympathisers and potential voters because it's the fault of Milliband/Corbyn/Starmer or whomever the 'unelectable' leader of the opposition is....

Thunder Bolt · Jul 1, 2022

At this rate, we won't need a General Election as his majority is dropping like a stone. We just need to find out what scandals need revealing.

vegster · Jul 1, 2022

TomandJerry said:
Neil Parish, the former Conservative MP for Tiverton and Honiton,has said the Conservatives cannot show “double standards” and must remove the whip from former deputy chief whip Chris Pincher.

Parish, who formally resigned in May after admitting he had watched pornography twice on his phone in parliament, suggested that he believes the party whip could be withdrawn from Pincher before the end of Saturday.

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This is yet another damning verdict on the Convicts inability to run a coherent government....trouble is ...when does being noshed off by your bit on the side in the Palace of Westminster demand similar penalties?

clapham_gull · Jul 1, 2022

TomandJerry said:
Chris Pincher MP, the former Tory deputy chief whip who resigned over groping allegations, has been suspended by the Conservative party.

Pincher lost the Conservative whip amid growing calls from Tory MPs to exclude him from the party.

Piffle, there is nothing wrong with grabbing another chaps wanger in the club house. It was the most popular event on sports day, traditionally refereed by the Reverend Clunge.

dazzer6666 · Jul 1, 2022

Audax said:
I'm inclined to the view that if Boris is still PM at the next GE, the Tories lose. Most likely result will be Labour with the most seats, but short of a majority, but enough Lib Dem seats for a Labour / Lib Dem agreement to muster a majority (whether that is a full coalition or a Con/DUP style confidence and supply agreement to keep the Tories out doesn't particularly matter).

I see that Starmer and Labour are making a move to kill off the Tory "Coalition of Chaos" attack line by categorically ruling out any prospect of cooperating with the SNP. The step that follows that probably needs to be an unofficial policy of allowing the Lib Dems a free run at seats identified as a no-win for Labour. If the Lib Dems put together a strong campaign based on soft-right fiscal policy, strong pro-climate and pro-integrity policies, then I can see them carrying enough seats over the line to allow Labour to ignore the SNP.

The polls continue to favour Labour, including where voting is actually taking place. There was 8 local council by-elections yesterday. Before the voting, they were Con 5, Lab 2, Ind 1. After the voting, it's now Lab 4, Lib Dem 2, Con 2. One of the 2 that Con held, there was an 18pt swing to Labour.

As far as whether he survives to the next GE ... Unless he calls one early, I fully expect he'll be gone before the end of 2022. The rebels are getting more organised, and the Pincher affair is only going to make matters worse for him if (as appears the case currently) Boris is going to resist withdrawing the whip. The 1922 elections will take place, they will then move to change the rules from a 12 month protection period to 6 months (or less), and we'll then see him face another no-confidence vote before the end of the year. One which I fully expect him to lose.

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Agree with most of that but the Lib Dems don’t need to bother that much with a detailed manifesto, they simply need to be ‘not Tory’ and for the Labour votes to switch. Labour need someone stronger than Starmer at the helm to make sure the Tories don’t get in IMO.

Seagull27 · Jul 1, 2022

Thunder Bolt said:
At this rate, we won't need a General Election as his majority is dropping like a stone. We just need to find out what scandals need revealing.

Unfortunately in this case having the whip removed won't have much of an effect, you'd imagine he'll continue to blindly support Johnson.

It's been said before but there really needs to be a way that MPs can be removed from their position quickly when committing an offence like this (without relying on the party or the individual to resign/remove the whip), with a by-election triggered.

If any of us groped a couple of colleagues on a work night out, we'd be out the door pretty much the next day.

clapham_gull · Jul 1, 2022

Seagull27 said:
If any of us groped a couple of colleagues on a work night out, we'd be out the door pretty much the next day.

I'm not sure we'd be in the door the next day. Instantly suspended (pending an investigation) on full pay and told to stay away from work.

The above case would undoubtedly be instant dismissal as he has admitted it.

You don't need an MPs "code" for that, just written into an employment contract. The whole system needs review.

They need to report into a non political body with the power to instantly dismiss.

Daddies_Sauce · Jul 1, 2022

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-carrie-conor-burns-b2113988.html

nwgull · Jul 1, 2022

Recidivist said:
Regrettably I think you’re wrong. Given current electoral boundaries it would take a 12% swing to Labour for them to even scrape a majority (per a recent BBC analysis).

It’s far more likely that the Conservatives would still end up in power but with a much reduced majority.

If BoJo did call a snap election he’d probably win and would be pretty much impregnable for the foreseeable future……

If the Tory MPs are to get rid of him, think they’ll have to do it pretty smartish…..

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Depending on the polling company, the Tories are currently polling at somewhere between 30-34%. You don’t win majorities with those numbers, even at the upper end.

dazzer6666 · Jul 1, 2022

clapham_gull said:
I'm not sure we'd be in the door the next day. Instantly suspended (pending an investigation) on full pay and told to stay away from work.

The above case would undoubtedly be instant dismissal as he has admitted it.

You don't need an MPs "code" for that, just written into an employment contract. The whole system needs review.

They need to report into a non political body with the power to instantly dismiss.

Gross misconduct leading to dismissal in any firm I’ve ever worked for. The only way of that being avoided would be to resign before the investigation was complete….but even then any reference would be tainted unless you were graciously given the ‘opportunity’ to resign before the investigation formally commenced.

monty uk · Jul 1, 2022

clapham_gull said:
I'm not sure we'd be in the door the next day. Instantly suspended (pending an investigation) on full pay and told to stay away from work.

The above case would undoubtedly be instant dismissal as he has admitted it.

You don't need an MPs "code" for that, just written into an employment contract. The whole system needs review.

They need to report into a non political body with the power to instantly dismiss.

It shouldn't even need a code or an employment contract. MPs are representatives of the people and, as Churchill put it. 'servants of the people'.

He has acted appalingly, and, arguably, illegally. Certainly dishonourably (in my mind). But, like many others of his ilk in a similar situation, he’s trying to cling on. Hanging on, waiting to be censured or supported by the Buffoon-in-chief. At least in this instance, unlike with others, he admitted his perverse actions, rather than present some tame, illogical, limp and unbelievable excuse to placate the voters.

He should go. There should be a by election. We (that is the royal we, I don’t claim to speak for others) don’t want people like him in Parliament, creating laws that we have to abide by. Democracy is the election of a few trusted representatives to speak for the populous; to represent us and to act for the common good.

This is not happening. He and others of his cronies are feathering their own beds at our expense.

We need a method to eject these people when they do no good. To call time on them and reset.

I, for one, have very little faith in politicians now. And don’t get me started on my local Tory MP, a little twerp and BJ brown-nosing yes-man.

Machiavelli · Jul 1, 2022

Until we start recognising that democracy is the strength and power of the people, and we can do what we want with it, and that we'll do more with it if we act collectively, they will continue to do this to us.
Since a long, long time ago, elections have been the selective device of aristocrats and oligarchs. The methods of selection adopted by democrats have been rotation and lottery.

clapham_gull · Jul 1, 2022

monty uk said:
It shouldn't even need a code or an employment contract. MPs are representatives of the people and, as Churchill put it. 'servants of the people'.

But unless he has broken any rule....

This is the problem, the current administration had stuck two fingers up to what someone would have thought the "right thing to do" in the past.

Johnson and his cronies have exposed (probably helpfully in the long term) the weaknesses in our system and how it can be taken over.

It need modernising.

The Clamp · Jul 1, 2022

The Nasty Party got a hammering on BBC R4's Any Questions tonight. Neither the panel or live audience gave them any quarter. The net is closing in on this terrible government. How this will affect Johnson and his vow to cling onto the leadership come what may, remains to be seen but they must all be realising the people aren't letting these wrong doings go. Which is why of course they change the law to suit their crimes.

The Clamp · Jul 1, 2022

clapham_gull said:
But unless he has broken any rule....

This is the problem, the current administration had stuck two fingers up to what someone would have thought the "right thing to do" in the past.

Johnson and his cronies have exposed (probably helpfully in the long term) the weaknesses in our system and how it can be taken over.

It need modernising.

This excellent documentary illustrates how democracy can be used to take over and to serve those who wish us ill. There are similarities and differences between our situation and the one in teh film. Certainly parallels to be drawn. And a fascinating film to boot. I thought. And I have exemplary taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ze30UBQGTE

midnight_rendezvous · Jul 1, 2022

Just incase you’re not caught up with this week’s shower of Tory shit…

https://twitter.com/russincheshire/status/1542874537708101632?s=21&t=xmNltPOfFWC920pIpIYvzg

The Fits · Jul 1, 2022

Despicable and depraved. Blaming alcohol is incredibly weak. So many bad apples. An obvious entrenched culture of drug and alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct. We are an embarrassment.

The Clamp · Jul 1, 2022

The Fits said:
Despicable and depraved. Blaming alcohol is incredibly weak. So many bad apples. An obvious entrenched culture of drug and alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct. We are an embarrassment.

He’s had to resign before for exactly the same crime, groping men.

Bry Nylon · Jul 1, 2022

The Clamp said:
He’s had to resign before for exactly the same crime, groping men.

Seems only right and proper that the people of Tamworth are given the opportunity to decide if they want Chris Pincher to continue be their elected representative in Parliament. He should resign and if he wants to, he can stand as the Conservative or an independent candidate in a by election.

Let’s see how that works out for him.

Blue Valkyrie · Jul 1, 2022

Bry Nylon said:
Seems only right and proper that the people of Tamworth are given the opportunity to decide if they want Chris Pincher to continue be their elected representative in Parliament. He should resign and if he wants to, he can stand as the Conservative or an independent candidate in a by election.

Let’s see how that works out for him.

Well here are the recall petition rules :

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05089/

Things would have to escalate a bit to remove him.

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