[News] Prince Andrew interviewed about allegations

HitchinSeagull · Sep 12, 2021

Tom Hark said:
He can run but he can't hide.

Help! Mummy! [emoji38]ol:

I get the feeling his Ma is non too impressed. What ever you think of royals she has spent a life in service whereas he has been up to no good under the guise of public service. Most definitely bring the family into disrepute.

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Klaas · Sep 12, 2021

usernamed said:
Am I the only one who feels that Prince Andrew does nothing to dispel suspicions of guilt, when he and his legal team are openly hiding from those attempting to serve legal papers on him?

Is this what our ‘nobility’ has come to? Behaving like somebody hiding behind the sofa when the TV Licensing people call?

Prince Andrew's team dispute claims accuser served legal papers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58527909

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usernamed · Sep 12, 2021

Klaas said:
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That’s superb, and pretty much exactly the impression I’ve got of him. I hadn’t seen that.

He’s just cowering, these are not the actions of an innocent man, and surely even the most ardent Royalists out there must be struggling to rationalise these absolutely insane actions.

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Lyndhurst 14 · Sep 12, 2021

usernamed said:
and surely even the most ardent Royalists out there must be struggling to rationalise these absolutely insane actions.

They will hold their noses and carry on. This country will keep Boris in power for the next 10 years, if that can happen the Royalists have nothing to worry about. We get the society we deserve.

peterward · Sep 12, 2021

usernamed said:
Am I the only one who feels that Prince Andrew does nothing to dispel suspicions of guilt, when he and his legal team are openly hiding from those attempting to serve legal papers on him?

Is this what our ‘nobility’ has come to? Behaving like somebody hiding behind the sofa when the TV Licensing people call?

Prince Andrew's team dispute claims accuser served legal papers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58527909

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He can't of been served, he's instructed all police officers not to accept anything and he's holding a private shooting party for friends at Balmoral.

What a total scumbag

jcdenton08 · Sep 12, 2021

Can we just remember something called "libel". Throwing around words like "nonce" isn't a great idea for a man who hasn't even been formally charged with a criminal offence, let alone convicted.

Satire and humour is a different matter. But outright stating that an individual is a sex offending criminal is really not wise.

drew · Sep 12, 2021

I'm a Royalist in the sense that I like the fact we have a ceremonial head of state that has a history that many other countries don't have. One of the main reasons we should keep them is the alternative is that we get someone like Trump as our head of state!! God help is Tim Martin decided to run for office!

That said, Andrew is risking bring the whole thing down with his evasiveness and the more it goes on the more likely people will draw their own conclusions, if they haven't already done so. I certainly have. He either needs to face his accusers willingly or the Royal Family need to throw him to the lions to protect the rest of the firm. I don't think either will happen.

One Teddy Maybank · Sep 12, 2021

drew said:
I'm a Royalist in the sense that I like the fact we have a ceremonial head of state that has a history that many other countries don't have. One of the main reasons we should keep them is the alternative is that we get someone like Trump as our head of state!! God help is Tim Martin decided to run for office!

That said, Andrew is risking bring the whole thing down with his evasiveness and the more it goes on the more likely people will draw their own conclusions, if they haven't already done so. I certainly have. He either needs to face his accusers willingly or the Royal Family need to throw him to the lions to protect the rest of the firm. I don't think either will happen.

Where I am too….

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Hugo Rune · Sep 12, 2021

drew said:
I'm a Royalist in the sense that I like the fact we have a ceremonial head of state that has a history that many other countries don't have. One of the main reasons we should keep them is the alternative is that we get someone like Trump as our head of state!! God help is Tim Martin decided to run for office!

I thought the same as you but I then researched it.

We bin the Royal Family and the House of Lords. We replace it with an elected ‘House Of Independent Peers’ (no political party allegiance and campaigning, community nominations only for high achievers) and then have a President selected from the peers who’d have similar powers to the Queen, all 4 year one-off terms. The commons stays the same but with FPTP ditched leaving Belarus the only European state who uses this antiquated system.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Sep 12, 2021

Klaas said:
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I find him to be a very unlikable bloke - no charm, no empathy....snooty, lacking in sweat...

But....he has been found guilty of nothing and an attempt is being made to bring him to the states to face a civil (not criminal) case.

Whether I were innocent or guilty, if my brief was saying 'don't respond, don't comply, go and shoot some grouse' that (apart from shooting the birds) would be exactly what I'd do. :shrug:

Nothing to see here yet, apart from a mountain of fuel for an anti royal confirmation bias (which I would ordinarily share).

lawros left foot · Sep 12, 2021

jcdenton08 said:
Can we just remember something called "libel". Throwing around words like "nonce" isn't a great idea for a man who hasn't even been formally charged with a criminal offence, let alone convicted.

Satire and humour is a different matter. But outright stating that an individual is a sex offending criminal is really not wise.

I think most people would love to see him up in court having to prove he wasn’t a nonce to sue someone for libel who was insinuating he was.

clapham_gull · Sep 12, 2021

jcdenton08 said:
Can we just remember something called "libel". Throwing around words like "nonce" isn't a great idea for a man who hasn't even been formally charged with a criminal offence, let alone convicted.

Satire and humour is a different matter. But outright stating that an individual is a sex offending criminal is really not wise.

It isn't, but in this case I'd imagine you'd be pretty safe if you did.

We've all seen what he is like defending himself and imagine his lawyers have told him to keep his mouth shut.

Creaky · Sep 12, 2021

lawros left foot said:
I think most people would love to see him up in court having to prove he wasn’t a nonce to sue someone for libel who was insinuating he was.

Wrong way round - it would be up to the person being sued for libel that he was a nonce.

drew · Sep 12, 2021

Hugo Rune said:
I thought the same as you but I then researched it.

We bin the Royal Family and the House of Lords. We replace it with an elected ‘House Of Independent Peers’ (no political party allegiance and campaigning, community nominations only for high achievers) and then have a President selected from the peers who’d have similar powers to the Queen, all 4 year one-off terms. The commons stays the same but with FPTP ditched leaving Belarus the only European state who uses this antiquated system.

It sounds good but where are you going to get people with no party political allegiance? Who's going to pay for their campaigns other those with vested interests. Also, you could still end up with a Trumpesque president so it's a no from me.

Pavilionaire · Sep 13, 2021

I think the Queen, Princess Anne, William and Kate and Phil The Greek have done a great job, but I am coming round to the bigger picture that privilege and class are holding this country back. The likes of Boris and Prince Andrew make me sick.

jcdenton08 · Sep 13, 2021

lawros left foot said:
I think most people would love to see him up in court having to prove he wasn’t a nonce to sue someone for libel who was insinuating he was.

I don't think that's how it works, mate.

Recidivist · Sep 13, 2021

drew said:
It sounds good but where are you going to get people with no party political allegiance? Who's going to pay for their campaigns other those with vested interests. Also, you could still end up with a Trumpesque president so it's a no from me.

I don’t think any system can guarantee not having a Trumpesque-type President and the fact that the monarchical succession is based purely on birth, irrespective of talent or inclination, must make it perfectly possible to have totally unsuitable guardians of the constitution.

Solution can only be to have a carefully written constitution with an ongoing parliamentary-type democracy (unlike the US) but with all the adjustments suggested above.

I have a huge amount of respect for QE2 but the prospect of her passing on the reins to Charles, William et al in perpetuity fills me with horror.

I’ve always felt that state-funded elections are the way forward to reduce/eliminate vested interests and influence. Tricky to achieve without entrenching the status quo maybe but it must be better than the current system where the main parties are beholden to big business/unions.

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One Teddy Maybank · Sep 13, 2021

Hugo Rune said:
I thought the same as you but I then researched it.

We bin the Royal Family and the House of Lords. We replace it with an elected ‘House Of Independent Peers’ (no political party allegiance and campaigning, community nominations only for high achievers) and then have a President selected from the peers who’d have similar powers to the Queen, all 4 year one-off terms. The commons stays the same but with FPTP ditched leaving Belarus the only European state who uses this antiquated system.

Just no.

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Clive Walker · Sep 13, 2021

drew said:
I'm a Royalist in the sense that I like the fact we have a ceremonial head of state that has a history that many other countries don't have. One of the main reasons we should keep them is the alternative is that we get someone like Trump as our head of state!! God help is Tim Martin decided to run for office!

That said, Andrew is risking bring the whole thing down with his evasiveness and the more it goes on the more likely people will draw their own conclusions, if they haven't already done so. I certainly have. He either needs to face his accusers willingly or the Royal Family need to throw him to the lions to protect the rest of the firm. I don't think either will happen.

Regardless of opinion on trump he was democratically elected and subsequently democratically elected out. I don’t know the name of Williams eldest son but imagine if he grows up to be a maniac. You, me and no other bugger gets a choice and can’t get rid.

beorhthelm · Sep 13, 2021

Clive Walker said:
Regardless of opinion on trump he was democratically elected and subsequently democratically elected out. I don’t know the name of Williams eldest son but imagine if he grows up to be a maniac. You, me and no other bugger gets a choice and can’t get rid.

except parliament of course. the head of state is there by act of parliament, they are really just chairman of the board, for PR and to sign off business, with little meaningful power. if we get a nutter we can change them.

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