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[Politics] Brexit
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Indeed.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
So you think Theresa May is going to dance hand in hand to Brussels with Jeremy, ask for an extension without taking part in any EU elections, and they are going to fall on their knees and say of course?
You've got a lot more faith in May than I have.
I posted those tweets because I can see the trap that May is laying. No deal is still very much on the cards, regardless of who actually said it.
So no condemnation then.... and happy to 'observe' threatening words and violent acts. Just checking..........
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n1 gull
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God I hope so. If Paisley and McGuinness could do a deal anything is possible. It's now time for grown ups and compromise
dingodan
New member
- Feb 16, 2011
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Does context not matter? Does it not matter if he clearly never believed that we would stay in the Single Market, and to say so would be a lie?
You are Ok with misrepresenting someone who clearly misspoke?
FFS if someone who was clearly a remain supporter accidentally used the wrong word which implied they wanted to leave, I wouldn't be so dishonest as to hold that up as evidence that they believe something which it is absolutely clear that they don't. WTF is wrong with you people, your dishonesty in service of your own views in astounding.
Worrying times for our country when honor and decency mean absolutely nothing and are willingly sacrificed on the alter of politics..
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I just posted the words he actually said. You said he meant something different.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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It's clear beyond any doubt that he meant something different.
But if it serves your politics, who cares, right?
Pathetic.
Must be a ****ing big rock.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Thanks for your response. My post was an attempt to test your opinion and, as I said, I take your point about the fairest format for a confirmatory vote. Think I will stand by my assertion that Remain has been shown to be more popular than any specific form of Brexit.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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My initial reaction to May's Statement today if if the Tories are going down they want to drag Labour with them by tainting them equally with the shit Withdrawal Agreement we'll get.
I think Labour should stick to their guns here. Theresa May has lost 3 times - her WA is her work alone and it's shit. 2nd Referendum or Customs Union will soon get a majority once MPs stop abstaining, are given a free vote and start going for their second choice.
It's incredible really, the Tories have turned an internal squabble into an issue that has divided the nation for probably a generation, their toxic coalition has wiped the Lib Dems off the face of the map and now they've turned their sights on Labour. As a Lib Dem member my advice to Corbyn is simple - tell her to f*ck off and go for a Customs Union / 2nd Referendum, do NOT repeat NOT touch the Tories with a bargepole.
I think Labour should stick to their guns here. Theresa May has lost 3 times - her WA is her work alone and it's shit. 2nd Referendum or Customs Union will soon get a majority once MPs stop abstaining, are given a free vote and start going for their second choice.
It's incredible really, the Tories have turned an internal squabble into an issue that has divided the nation for probably a generation, their toxic coalition has wiped the Lib Dems off the face of the map and now they've turned their sights on Labour. As a Lib Dem member my advice to Corbyn is simple - tell her to f*ck off and go for a Customs Union / 2nd Referendum, do NOT repeat NOT touch the Tories with a bargepole.
You're welcome. I'm not quite used to politeness in this thread.
Now that we've learned more about the sort of deal we're capable of negotiating with the EU, I suspect you're right, but I concede that is only opinion.
Yes is the answer because I am not responsible for them.
That is a perfect description of Boris Johnson.
Baldseagull
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To be fair, (though not quite sure why I should be to most of those people) most of those clips are from before the referendum was called, and one of them is cut and is entirely misleading. However, it was this Norway or Swiss option that allowed UKIP to gain support to the levels it did, and it was their eating into the Tory vote that pushed Cameron to pledge a Referendum. I personally believe he fully intended to let that pledge go in a coalition with liberals, but then won an outright majority and was stuck with it.
Dan Hannan was saying it all through the campaign to leave though, and I am sure some people voted leave expecting that we would remain in the single market, not least those who had decided they would be voting leave as soon as the referendum was called, and did not pay much attention to the campaign.
I just hope May, Corbyn and moderate MP’s reach an agreement in principle, that is taken to the EU, who will listen I think.
Loving the Twatter soundbites of arch Remainers or Hard Brexiteers, because they agree with us, only furnishes our inflexible black and white views of the world.
5Live was interesting before 7pm. They had Corbynista Russell-Moyle bitterly referring to “She” (aka Teresa May) and in a softer tone “Jeremy”, immediately slamming all doors shut. Then, by way of total contrast, they had Stephen Kinnock and a moderate Tory MP on, talking intelligently on how this might work, in which ways May has to compromise, etc.
Kinnock and the other guy give us hope.
I was kinda with you until you blamed the Tories for the demise of the Lib Dems. The Lib Dems have to take responsibility for their own mistakes, just as the Tories should be raking responsibility for theirs.
It’s clearly a trap.
I imagine the plan is for her to have a meeting and come out saying labour will not agree on anything and try and shift the blame of no deal.
Or they agree to pass the deal and when it’s a complete mess blame labour as well.
and Nick Boles, can work both ways that quote. Clever isn't it, fits both sides view....
Can a Tory back bencher put in a no confidence motion against the government ?
- Jul 10, 2003
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I would have thought, as a general rule, if you want to be a successful politician and persuade people that what you are saying is correct, don't day one thing and then get others to claim you meant something entirely different
(Just as a general rule for politicians)