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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Personally I don't think the intention was political damage for Labour (not because the Tories wouldn't want that, of course they would, but I don't see it as a likely outcome), but rather that she (and her party) have to be seen to be trying to do something, rather than pointlessly asking parliament to vote on the same thing again.
We're roughly in agreement, I also doubt that national interest was at the forefront of her thinking.
I didn't call you anything. It's just that you heard something and took it as fact. When it was a lie.
Setting our tax rates? Also complete rubbish. A total lie.
European Army? Well if you scroll up you'll see that that's not true either (in the scary context it's been fed to people).
It's all nonsense and it's easily debunked by looking at the facts. I haven't called you names or questioned your intelligence. Plenty of intelligent people get conned.
What happens when we have a GE , people vote for all sorts of promises from Con or Lab or Tony Blair seems like a nice sincere chap for instance .There is all sorts of reasons they might be trivial ones but the result is adhered to .
thats typical of most 'remainers'
I object to your sweeping generalisation. On what basis do you make that provocative comment?
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There are manifold differences between GE's and the EU referendum.
But lies are lies and if I found out a party were lying about something I would re-think voting for them.
Can we predict what will occur down the line? To some extent.
I can certainly guarantee you there will be no obligation to join the Euro and no "EU Army" that we will be forced to be a part of.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Schrodinger's EU
Getting more powerful & forcing us to do at we're told, and getting so weak, it will break up very soon.
Getting more powerful & forcing us to do at we're told, and getting so weak, it will break up very soon.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
The Law could be changed, but it would be a brave Government to do that. It is not at the discretion of Governments, the criteria are clear, and any treaty signed without a referendum would be at threat of legal challenge. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/12/section/4/enacted
It will not matter if we are not in the EU .Do you want Democratic vote overturned and if so how ,second referendum ?
It won't matter in the EU either.
Ah, now for the controversial view from me. I wish to revoke A50, overturn Brexit and stay in the EU with no second referendum. I have alway taken this view.
Not a popular view from either side, I understand that.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Nullified by corruption and lies. In just the same way Lance Arnstrong won the Tour de France but was found cheating, so it didn't count.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Is democracy just about the number of votes garnered, or is it also about, how those votes were garnered?
This. Unbelievable, the extent to which this is being wilfully ignored.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
There are some powerful people pulling the strings. Not least, Philip May.
Quite agree, it's almost as if those who are taking us out had this intention from the outset! As I stated previously, the Tories want this so much they can almost taste it and nothing will stand in their way. Seeing Redwood on Ch4 news tonight with his smug face prior to being interviewed said it all to me?
There are clearly a large number of people who just don't want to admit that they've been played.
Admitting that you were made a fool of is a difficult thing to do. Takes someone of strong character to say "yes, I was wrong" but it's an even bigger step to say "yes, I was wrong because I was lied to and I believed it".
That's the struggle that intelligent Leave voters are having to deal with now. Backed into a corner, trying to save face seems better than admitting the truth. Because admitting the truth is difficult in this situation. From a purely emotional/human nature perspective if nothing else.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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I had a conversion with someone who worked in my industry and laid out the FACTS what it actually meant.
Not scare stories, the reality of an industry whose heart is in London because we are in EU.
They had been sold a false narrative of individualism soon realised that as an individual it had negative effects.
Taking back control ? Not yours.....
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- Apr 5, 2014
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Sensible thing is for the EU to offer an indefinite extension with various rules attached. Or at least till the end of the year.
I cannot see them approving June 30th.
If we then go back we won't have MPs in the parliament.
I cannot see them approving June 30th.
If we then go back we won't have MPs in the parliament.