It takes a while to build up friendships and trust and respect especially when you are up against countries which have had this in place for decades. It's the same with most things e.g. good trusted car mechanics don't just happen over night.
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It takes a while to build up friendships and trust and respect especially when you are up against countries which have had this in place for decades. It's the same with most things e.g. good trusted car mechanics don't just happen over night.
pastafarian
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but the great news is dave you and the rest of us will now get to vote on whether to stay in or out.....how can that be bad
A bin fest. Whoddathunkit?
It's an early electioneering gambit he won't follow through with.
What he will do is try and move us out of some of the social obligations of being in Europe, ensuring that workers in the UK have less rights than their counterparts and that our factories remain easier and cheaper to shut down than those abroad as multi nationals cut their cloth to recession.
Also the idea we need to cut harder and faster seems like rot. The Irish are currently doing the same as us only a year or two further down the line, providing us with a consistently ignored barometer of how well the cuts programme will work.
It's an early electioneering gambit he won't follow through with.
What he will do is try and move us out of some of the social obligations of being in Europe, ensuring that workers in the UK have less rights than their counterparts and that our factories remain easier and cheaper to shut down than those abroad as multi nationals cut their cloth to recession.
Also the idea we need to cut harder and faster seems like rot. The Irish are currently doing the same as us only a year or two further down the line, providing us with a consistently ignored barometer of how well the cuts programme will work.
pastafarian
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you are taking the piss now are you not?.......please say you are taking the piss?
The Spanish
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eh eh no flies on you eh. i love it when stating the obvious is dressed up as insight, its like telling people the magician doesnt really saw the girl in half and tapping your nose.
daveinprague
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Democracy is good...im all for a referendum. I think it would be wrong to leave the EU, but if we do, we do, and then have to deal with any consequences, good or bad.... but I dont believe the hype from people about UKIP...that hype seems to come from their supporters, and nobody else.
Britains main role should be the link between Europe and the USA...rather than ditching one, in favour of the other, as I believe UKIP want to cosy up more with the USA...we have an opportunity to be a key member of Europe...rather than some poor state hanging on its shirt-tails.
Colossal Squid
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The Sun is the most read newspaper in Britain. The X Factor is the most watched TV show. A significant proportion of the population couldn't locate Wales on a map.
I'm sorry but the general public ARE morons.
yxee
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But we've been trading with these countries already. It's not like meeting a new car mechanic, it's more like saying to an old mechanic "hi we both obviously trust one another, shall we cut out the middle man and I'll come to you direct from now on?", if the middle man happened to be taking £10bn in agent fees from you every year.
pastafarian
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i no longer care about this crap
i have just heard Beyonce was miming at the inauguration ceremony
for that reason i am out
daveinprague
New member
Well, thats it. I dont want to sleep with her anymore...!
But the car mechanic will say "I see where you're coming from but I have this age old arrangement where I service and polish these lovely Mercs and Audis. Thanks but no thanks."
Also, you seem to forget its only the English which always like a bargain. Money is only part of the consideration in other countries. Cheapest is not always best and the reason most German taxi drivers drive a Merc.
pastafarian
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i will make this very very simple for you
do you think the people that will vote on this issue are morons?
I thought it was an interesting point. Which is a bigger threat to the UK working class, competition from Eastern European immigrants or looser labour laws that allow workers to be fired on a whim ?
Good. You're talking crap.
pastafarian
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yxee
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Think I may have lost the analogy. Who are we talking about here, are Germany suddenly going to stop trading with us out of spite? We are huge customers of German products, they are more pragmatic than that.
I guess I just don't buy what seems to be overzealous fearmongering. Life will go on.
Colossal Squid
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I think there are a lot of morons who could end up voting in such a referendum.
It's just like the Scottish independence issue. With Salmond and the tabloid press pandering to the young and impressionable there is always a risk that people who don't know any better will go out and vote FOR their country to leave the UK even though its clearly against their best interests
History is littered with examples of the popular vote being a disaster
Most sensible post on the thread.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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This.
If anyone thinks for a second that Dave will lead us out of the EU needs their bumps felt.
This is playing politics within the conservative party and has nothing to do with a proper choice.
He also wants to take out Farage and his merry men. I'll say it slowly..it's...a...fudge.
Actually it has 26 agreements not dozens and a vast majority of them are with non-EU countries. Nice to see pro-EU falsehoods getting out there already !