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Oh I know.......................... on two of three of my trips to beirut I've felt it been under attack. I was there when the Isarelis bombed the bridge and just afte the president was killed by 'someone' (read Hezbollah)....on the third trip I had a hezbollah sympathiser taxi driver taking to...

I have no problem with that..... if they're carrying guns and are really militants. We all have a right to defend our shores...doesn't make last week right though.

'Isn't the friendliest to Israel' can be read in a number of ways. Avi Schliem is friendly to Israel... he just dones't agree with all its policies. I think we need to be clear that not ALL Israelis support the governemnt and the army...we should remember that in fact power in Israel lies in the...

Sorry Greeno, you are a bit out of date.... near the bottom of this article you will see the Israeli govt has now admitted there were no Al-Qaeda operatives. This article also shows how out of control the Israeli governement is getting. If the british Govt had done such a thing we would now...

Thanks for this but I think its just too hardline to be believable.... I think there can be little doubt there was a cock up on both sides.... we know from Turkish sources that there were four militants aboard who MAY have been carrying weapons and that all were killed which suggests...

Should also add that for most of the second world war jews were not being allowed in ANYWHERE.... apart from the unconcious anti-sematism that was prevalent throughout the world and which didnt really begin to dissipate in any real form until after 1945, there was a real fear that any refugee...

. You are absolutelky correct. As you will know the zionist influx into Isreal post 1912 had escalated tensions between Jews and Arabs in the region and radical elements had formulated on both sides.... most worringly in the pro-Nazi imam led Arab movement. The british mandate was to keep...

That's ok. At least you're honest on that. In fact, Ottoman archives prove that there was an active Jewish community in jerusalem as early as 1500 and as dazzalewis has correctly pointed out there have always beeen Jews in the region. There hasnt been a state with any right to that name of any...

Hi Greeno! yesterday I asked you to elucidate on your claim that jews were forced out of 'Israel' and were stopped from ever-returning. How are we doing with that?

No... better to come here and see.... The only flags you see in Izmir are red ones with big stars and crescents on them. there is a religious radical element around as there is the National Front and there are radicals in government as there is the Tory party. Personally I distrust the AKP but...

Sorry Steve ( not sure hed be happy to be associated with this) but you cant just use this as a pulpit. Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range | World news | The Guardian Gaza flotilla: Turkey's stance is a lesson to the west | World news | The Guardian

Well BB has pretty much killed this thread. So Ill add mouth to miouth with Henning Menkell's view... What I find interesting is what would happen if there was a really LARGE convoy next year... what would happen then? Henning Mankell on Gaza flotilla attack: 'I think they went out to murder'...

Although, if we are really taking all history as relevant, also the site of a famous pogrom.

And Im in the levantine city of Izmir... not so different from Jaffa :ohmy:

Sorry missed this :) had a feeling you might not be...however seeing as he was major player for many years, the facts that he gives in his books (which are not disputed) make for uncomfortable reading for both sides.... a must-read whatever side you are on.

Jewish were expelled from the land..... I assume you mean by the Romans... or are you talking about the Crusades or the Muslim invasions? Could you be specific. You probably have more primary source data than me so could you give dates and sources? I know for a fact that there has been a Jewish...

While Bushy's comment is a bit extreme there is a lot of truth in what he says. Dazzalewis, Im not surprised you want to be there.. it really is a place of milk and honey and the Israelis have done a huge amount to make a society that it well developed and extremely comfortable. However the...

Sorry Greeno... I posted earlier a query... have you read the Iron Wall and what did you think?

Should make the point... if no one has noticed that it now seems that there may have been Turkish jihadis on the main boat who may have opened fire. This is from a Turkish source... although there is no connection with either Hamas or El Qaeda. This certainly makes it muddy but still the ball...