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You picking up on tiny points people are making, and presenting them as much more significant - disingenuous to the point they were making. My opinion is, and it is shared by a swell of excitement, probably enhanced by a MotM performance on Saturday, that Ince is right now an exciting stand out...

At some point!? He's an integral part of the team RIGHT NOW! He was rested against Barnsley pure and simple in preparation for Saturday. OG thought we had enough elsewhere in the squad for Barnsley and he was wrong. Bridcutt - Ince - Crofts are our first choice centre midfield - and bloody...

It's not though is it? It's like saying Bridge is as good a player as Gordon Greer. They are both defenders, and do similar but differing roles, and on some occasions, like Adam El Abd for example, a centre half can play full back and vice versa. You can hardly say Ince and Bridcutt are...

'Finished article' where did that come from, I just said I didn't think you could describe him as 'raw'.

Absolutely. :thumbsup:

I'd like to know that as well. Not sure if you're questioning my argument of Ince not being raw, or Oscar's judgement? Perhaps even you don't know!?

You the mean the manager that 'rested' him for 1 game in 5, the 1 game we lost in 5!

and clearly our manager's.

Couple of years?? He's looking the real deal NOW. This is why I can't understand all this 'raw' talent nonsense. If you're good enough, you're old enough. He's not really playing like a raw talent to me. He's playing with maturity, composure. He's ready now and only looking after him physically...

I was sat front row in Bournemouth, and it was the first time I'd seen Ince really up close, and he is every inch a young Patrick Viera to me. Even his slightly inward feet, the way he runs, his balance. It's a striking resemblance. Not bad reminding people of Viera or Desailly though!

I've seen more of that from more experienced players like Conway, Crofts, Lopez etc. than Ince. It seems the term 'raw' is being used in a slightly negative way, like it's excusing some deficiency in his game. For me, I've not seen that many deficiencies to warrant calling him raw. He's just...

I know what 'raw' means, I want someone to tell me what mistakes etc. these are that they think this term applies to Ince. I've not seen anything from him that I would describe as 'raw' at the moment. He looks like he's settled in as if he's playing his 200th game. Just because a player makes...

If that's raw, then I assume Hammond is still frozen and not even out the wrapper to even start cooking yet!!! :lolol:

What is all this raw nonsense? If I didn't know how old he was and was told he was a 28 yr old international player from Europe, I'd be none the wiser. I don't know what this rawness is? Can you expand on what you mean? To me, his passing is crisp, and generally finds the right person with the...

Ha ha ha, are you serious re: Ince!? Thought he looked every inch a young Patrick Viera today, even my wife said she thought he was the best player on the park, ran himself to a standstill. Superb centre midfielder!!

Surprised by some comments as I thought he looked v good too, in fact was my MOM.