[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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They voted Truss in as leader. Given the choice, I suspect they’d do the same during the next Tory leadership contest (in about a year) if offered the same ‘tax cut’ promise. They are too old to change or admit they were wrong about the Lettuce.
The Conservatives won’t change until their membership does. I imagine it needs a decade or so for the vast majority of them to die off.
- Jun 20, 2021
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I am not going to disagree with you that there was an element of accidental recovery, i.e. the forced devaluation brought a number of fortuitous benefits, and the Tories were seen as a totally spent force with no ideas. The damage from the recession in 1990 then the calamity of Black Wednesday made it unlikely that they could be trusted to run the economy. Their credibility was shot, but ironically at the point where they had managed to more than steady the ship.
Labour enjoyed the bounce.
Btw, I am not an apologist for the Conservative Party, and as I live in hope that Starmar will be able to repeat the trick, although I suspect he will have a harder time than Blair because our economic decline is rather more entrenched.
It is amazing what ten years in Opposition can do to bring a party, who wants to regain power, back to its senses.
I wonder what party you will vote for if you ever get get fed up with Labour.
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- Oct 12, 2022
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Time will tell. As to which party I’ll be voting for when Labour inevitably go stale, it will be whichever party seems:
a) least “bought and sold”
b) capable of governing responsibly
c) “long-termist” in terms of their thinking.
d) has at least an outside chance of being elected.
However, the current Conservative master plan of:
1. Cut taxes
2. ?
3. Success!
Isn’t one that I will ever subscribe to or vote for. We’ve all seen where it leads, it leads to nothing good.
Genuine question from a first time caller:
What does a young conservative look like these days?
Like this:
Or like this:
Randy McNob
Now go home and get your f#cking Shinebox
- Jun 13, 2020
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The current term of Conservative government has been quite revealing and why I'll never vote them as long as I live. I always thought the far right element of Conservatives were only a handful of loons while most of them stood for well meaning Conservative values, yet far too many of them happily jumped on the populist bandwagon and they quickly shape-shifted into UKIP driven purely by ideology and ministers had to become propagandists
They will have to drain the swamp of all the headbangers while in opposition and go back to basics
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Randy McNob
Now go home and get your f#cking Shinebox
- Jun 13, 2020
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You beat ItsPotG to googling Labour this time
- Jul 10, 2003
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You beat ItsPotG to googling Labour this time
Votes Brexit and Boris and yet still believes he is being stitched up by
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Brexit changed everything didn't it?
They were always a party I disagreed with ideologically, but I respected them as a group of people who had a different idea than I did for improving our country.
Then 2016 happened. Then the purges, now we're seeing what a party and country looks like when the UKIP populist right is at the wheel
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It's currently the most extreme group I have seen in mainstream British politics in my lifetime
nicko31
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Yet despite everything, no UK party other than the Greens is preparing to talk about it.Votes Brexit and Boris and yet still believes he is being stitched up by
Fair enough, but unless our electoral system undergoes radical reform, and given that you will never vote Conservative, and are fed up with a ‘stale’ Labour, but want at least an outside chance of being elected, your choices will be sorely limited.
- Oct 12, 2022
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Fair enough, but unless our electoral system undergoes radical reform, and given that you will never vote Conservative, and are fed up with a ‘stale’ Labour, but want at least an outside chance of being elected, your choices will be sorely limited.
Absolutely, all I can do is cast my vote for the sanest alternative, which is probably giving me a choice of the Lib Dems or just giving the whole thing up as a bad job. This is where I personally feel FPTP falls down, but the two parties who ever get elected are the parties for whom it works, and so are heavily incentivised not to reform it.
Yes, I've always been anti-Tory, because I see them as always on the side of the rich against ordinary people, on the side of bosses against workers, tax-dodgers against welfare claimants, and on the side of landlords against tenants.
Their repeated claims to be on the side of "ordinary decent hard-working people" are nauseating hypocritical BS - they weren't on the side of the stitched-up Post Office workers until about two months ago, were they?
But much as I absolutely despised the Thatcher governments and their cruel policies, I could grudgingly acknowledge that many of their Ministers had 'gravitas' and were serious politicians - Nigel Lawson, Douglas Hurd, Geoffrey Howe, Ken Clarke, Michael Heseltine, Ian Gilmour, Willie Whitelaw, Peter Walker, etc.
Compare them to today's Right-wing rabble: Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Jacob Rees-Smugg, Lee Anderson, Therese Coffey, Nadine Dorries, etc.
To paraphrase Logan Roy (from Succession) "These are not serious people."