beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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i'd rather learn some German than chance a dingy across the channel.
[News] Major incident in Newhaven
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- Aug 24, 2020
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My wife says it definitely is a thing. Everyone uses 'Darren'.The weird thing is, I've read that locals pronounce it Darren, but none of the people I've met from there actually do.
This annoys me far more than it should do.
I told her about you, and she said the ones you know are probably trying to compete with you by sounding posh.
There you go - your friends think you're posh.
Me too.
But when you have been told the passage is perfectly safe......
What would be another reason for selecting the UK over Germany if you spoke English and not German?
Could it be that after 13 years in charge, the Tories have now firmly established the UK as the softest of all soft touches? That Rwanda has put off nobody? That migrants see the Tories as useless at controlling our borders, and have set up a useless system for dealing with the people who manage to arrive here?
Or could it be that far more asylum seekers actually do head for Germany rather than the UK? See posts by @Zeberdi
And that all this asylum seeker hysteria is simply a trope weaponized by the Tories to rope in the gammon for purposes of vote harvesting?
(It's the latter, isn't it.)
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- Oct 20, 2022
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No not at all. Genuine conversions come with great risk even within family groups. While there are no doubt some dubious ‘conversions’ (there are in the homelessness charity sector and the penal system too as I mentioned above), it certainly isn’t a loophole that can be easily exploited. There are strict protocols relating to the course of inquiry.
The difficulty of discerning Christian conversion (or any religious conversion) is that they are primarily matters of the heart. No human can see into another person’s heart. And despicable though the case of Abdul Ezedi’s acid attack was, his asylum claim can not be merited or demerited on the grounds of Christian conversion. Nor can his ’conversion’ be used to slur other Asylum seekers as is happening to those on the Bibby Stockholm.
However, to answer your question more specifically, if faith does become the grounds for either claiming asylum or appealing a decision to repatriate, the Church is consulted and have certain teachings and guidelines themselves for assessing the strengths of someone’s religious conviction. Once an application has been made, it only becomes an issue if they were already Christians fleeing persecution or their asylum claim fails on other grounds.
See section 4 and 10
Nonsense. You won’t have been Christian when you left. Any decent lawyer would knock that down in ten seconds. And religion isn’t the only reason. Are you suggesting people “convert” to gay after a week in the UK
I'm thinking of nominating you for an OBE.
They probably do - although given I'm counting people with Lancastrian farmer accents who I've met in pubs in Manchester and who have basically opened with "I'm from a town called Darwen that you've probably never heard of" I'm slightly dubious about the "trying to match my accent" line.My wife says it definitely is a thing. Everyone uses 'Darren'.
I told her about you, and she said the ones you know are probably trying to compete with you by sounding posh.
There you go - your friends think you're posh.
I'll ask the woman I know from there next time we're in the office at the same time.
Also, tell your wife I live much further north than her (and so do most of my family) and am therefore much more northern than her.
I know this is nonsense (and so do you), but it'll be funny.
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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i prefered this response to the essay. suit yourself, if you want to believe people convert, to help the asylum claim because it looks like they are integrating. even though thats not a criteria for asylum. but claiming persecution on religious grounds is. i'm surprised there's any controversy, there's been stories of rogue churches doing this for years. see also sham marriages.Nonsense. You won’t have been Christian when you left. Any decent lawyer would knock that down in ten seconds. And religion isn’t the only reason. Are you suggesting people “convert” to gay after a week in the UK
Yes, people falsely convert and falsely marry. Have you asked yourself why those are feasible options?
- Aug 24, 2020
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She said 'Tell him to f*** off. I live the other side of the Pennines. Tell him to f*** off'.They probably do - although given I'm counting people with Lancastrian farmer accents who I've met in pubs in Manchester and who have basically opened with "I'm from a town called Darwen that you've probably never heard of" I'm slightly dubious about the "trying to match my accent" line.
I'll ask the woman I know from there next time we're in the office at the same time.
Also, tell your wife I live much further north than her (and so do most of my family) and am therefore much more northern than her.
I know this is nonsense (and so do you), but it'll be funny.
(Actually, she has lived with me in Patcham since 1992, but I wasn't going to argue with her).
My idea of somebody from Accrington:
I am (in all seriousness) sure she's lovely. I've never met somebody from that part of Lancashire I didn't like.
- Aug 24, 2020
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She is indeed lovely Sid. As genuine as they come. But very proud of her northern roots, which provides a never ending seam of entertainment.My idea of somebody from Accrington:
I am (in all seriousness) sure she's lovely. I've never met somebody from that part of Lancashire I didn't like.
cunning fergus
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The EIB is the investment arm of the EU, it is underwritten by the states, which means in practice their taxpayers. So, when the EIB provides £80m to Ford for them to invest in their Turkish plant, whilst simultaneously closing plants in the U.K. and Belgium, we have an example of political leadership in the U.K. and EU taking a mighty shit on the interests of their a) working class and b) wider electorate.
Taxpayers’ millions fuel Ford Transit move to Turkey
MILLIONS of pounds of taxpayers’ money is being spent to expand a Ford manufacturing plant in Turkey while the car maker is cutting hundreds of jobs in Britain.Ford announced last month that the
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George Osborne backs £80m loan to Turkish van factory blamed for loss of UK jobs
The Chancellor faces angry questions over EU payout to Ford Otosan
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Parliamentary question | European Investment Bank support for Ford Turkey | E-010101/2012 | European Parliament
Question for written answer E-010101/2012 to the Council Rule 117 Ivo Belet (PPE)
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MPs slam Ford ‘betrayal’ | Auto Express
Politicians are criticising the Transit plant’s £80m loan, claiming UK taxpayers ‘subsidised job losses’
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Ford's £80m EU loan to boost Turkey factory - and close ours
THE Daily Echo can reveal today that a huge payout of EU cash was made to Ford just before the company closed its Southampton plant – and it went…
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Your point that this U.K. taxpayer underwrote loans to Ford so that it directly helped the Turkish working class to the expense of their British counterparts really gets to the nub of political discourse on NSC, as this aspect of this scandal sits entirely comfortably with you.
That’s not your issue of course, as this exchange and others on her patently demonstrate, making sure the interests of foreigners (whether in the U.K. or not) is given priority over the interests of the British working class.
It matters not that this was 12 years ago or 2 miles down the road from where you live, it’s totemic in how the U.K. works, and how the middle classes want it to work.
For that I appreciate your candour.
- Oct 12, 2022
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The EIB is the investment arm of the EU, it is underwritten by the states, which means in practice their taxpayers. So, when the EIB provides £80m to Ford for them to invest in their Turkish plant, whilst simultaneously closing plants in the U.K. and Belgium, we have an example of political leadership in the U.K. and EU taking a mighty shit on the interests of their a) working class and b) wider electorate.
Taxpayers’ millions fuel Ford Transit move to Turkey
MILLIONS of pounds of taxpayers’ money is being spent to expand a Ford manufacturing plant in Turkey while the car maker is cutting hundreds of jobs in Britain.Ford announced last month that the
George Osborne backs £80m loan to Turkish van factory blamed for loss of UK jobs
The Chancellor faces angry questions over EU payout to Ford Otosan
Parliamentary question | European Investment Bank support for Ford Turkey | E-010101/2012 | European Parliament
Question for written answer E-010101/2012 to the Council Rule 117 Ivo Belet (PPE)
MPs slam Ford ‘betrayal’ | Auto Express
Politicians are criticising the Transit plant’s £80m loan, claiming UK taxpayers ‘subsidised job losses’
Ford's £80m EU loan to boost Turkey factory - and close ours
THE Daily Echo can reveal today that a huge payout of EU cash was made to Ford just before the company closed its Southampton plant – and it went…
Your point that this U.K. taxpayer underwrote loans to Ford so that it directly helped the Turkish working class to the expense of their British counterparts really gets to the nub of political discourse on NSC, as this aspect of this scandal sits entirely comfortably with you.
That’s not your issue of course, as this exchange and others on her patently demonstrate, making sure the interests of foreigners (whether in the U.K. or not) is given priority over the interests of the British working class.
It matters not that this was 12 years ago or 2 miles down the road from where you live, it’s totemic in how the U.K. works, and how the middle classes want it to work.
For that I appreciate your candour.
I’m sorry, I thought I’d put you on ignore for exactly this kind of twaddle, but please stop hijacking threads for your own personal causes. You’ve successfully mugged quite a decent individual into rising to your bait, which has given you the opening you need to bang your particularly dull and repetitive drum.
This post has nothing at all to do with the subject under discussion.
Now to find out if ignore has stopped working or I’ve unmuted you somehow.
Edit: it appears I’d not muted him. What took me so long?
Linking this 80m loan to the shafting of the British working class is all very tenuous and involves baseless assumptions which you use to benefit your argument.The EIB is the investment arm of the EU, it is underwritten by the states, which means in practice their taxpayers. So, when the EIB provides £80m to Ford for them to invest in their Turkish plant, whilst simultaneously closing plants in the U.K. and Belgium, we have an example of political leadership in the U.K. and EU taking a mighty shit on the interests of their a) working class and b) wider electorate.
Taxpayers’ millions fuel Ford Transit move to Turkey
MILLIONS of pounds of taxpayers’ money is being spent to expand a Ford manufacturing plant in Turkey while the car maker is cutting hundreds of jobs in Britain.Ford announced last month that the
George Osborne backs £80m loan to Turkish van factory blamed for loss of UK jobs
The Chancellor faces angry questions over EU payout to Ford Otosan
Parliamentary question | European Investment Bank support for Ford Turkey | E-010101/2012 | European Parliament
Question for written answer E-010101/2012 to the Council Rule 117 Ivo Belet (PPE)
MPs slam Ford ‘betrayal’ | Auto Express
Politicians are criticising the Transit plant’s £80m loan, claiming UK taxpayers ‘subsidised job losses’
Ford's £80m EU loan to boost Turkey factory - and close ours
THE Daily Echo can reveal today that a huge payout of EU cash was made to Ford just before the company closed its Southampton plant – and it went…
Your point that this U.K. taxpayer underwrote loans to Ford so that it directly helped the Turkish working class to the expense of their British counterparts really gets to the nub of political discourse on NSC, as this aspect of this scandal sits entirely comfortably with you.
That’s not your issue of course, as this exchange and others on her patently demonstrate, making sure the interests of foreigners (whether in the U.K. or not) is given priority over the interests of the British working class.
It matters not that this was 12 years ago or 2 miles down the road from where you live, it’s totemic in how the U.K. works, and how the middle classes want it to work.
For that I appreciate your candour.
The EU is not funded purely by taxpayers/U.K. taxpayers so the 80m loan may have been funded by other sources such as customs revenue from non-EU countries. Obviously the U.K. will now significantly contribute to this but this wasn’t in play at the time.
Its also a loan, which will presumably have been paid back. Maybe with interest?
If this nonsense from 12 years ago, is the best you can dredge up I think it says more good about the EU than bad.
Can we now move onto your other story, the one about Tate and Lyle? We can maybe have your two arguments done and dusted before the weekend is out?
Besides, you have left yet you still get into a frenzy about the EU. Do you have anything else in your life?
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sydney
tinky ****in winky
and then if you pop over to x you will read that in Holland the disappointment harboured by these men, when the streets turn out to not be paved with gold and blonde virgins ,has resulted in them burning down numerous hostels and surrounding businesses and parked cars....and they're not forced are they , they pay the gangs thousands of dollars to get into Britain.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
what he's typed is correct ....they have done the same in Aus Ford now manufactured in Thailand after a brief dalliance with South Africa which resulted in recall after recall and Holden ( Vauxhall/gm) banished completely ...its called globalism mate , you need to wake up to it , it'll be in your town soon.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
Its also a loan, which will presumably have been paid back. Maybe with interest?
