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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024



chickens

chickens

Intending to survive this time of asset strippers
Oct 12, 2022
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lasvegan said:
Do you believe her?
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Personally, yes I do. I think it takes colossal bravery to stand up to somebody who is a proven misogynist and bully, and who is used to weaponising his followers to create en-masse attacks against anyone who challenges them or tries to hold them to account.

I’m absolutely certain that there’s nobody out there who would put themselves in the firing line for such harassment and abuse unless they were absolutely certain of their ground.

However, I would just like to add that it doesn’t matter a damn what anyone on this board thinks regarding that case, what matters is what the jurors thought having heard the full evidence.

They were not chosen for their political allegiances, they were chosen to hear the evidence and then rule on whether what was alleged had occurred. They did so.

How on earth can you claim to support the rule of law when you decry every judgement that doesn’t follow your warped and evidence free assertions?

Your thinking is effectively “I like the guy, so he can’t have done anything wrong.”

Thankfully, America’s justice system has a bit more to it.
 






Crawley Dingo

Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
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Bodian said:
That's not all he said though is it? Even after being found guilty of sexual assault in a court, he called her a liar, said that she was politically motivated, called her a liar again - repeatedly, and that she had made it up just to sell her book. And this led to her receiving threats and abuse from his followers. And diminished her reputation as a respected journalist, and halted much of her income from appearing on TV.

So - you're happy that he sexually assaulted someone, and then verbally attacked her, leading to abuse from others and a loss in earnings, because he says he wasn't his type (despite him mixing up her and his wife - and I guess even Trump couldn't convince people that someone he married wasn't 'his type')?

And secondly - it was the JURY that awarded the millions - not a judge. So, are you saying that the jury was only chosen from Democrats who specifically wanted to drain Trump's campaign finances?

Maybe it's not a witch hunt - and maybe he's just a deeply unpleasant person who has committed offences??
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If you have read anything about this woman you will see she has made multiple claims against various people andis being backed by a major Democrat.

He wasn't convicted of sexual assault so yea I am happy with his comments. Jurys get guidelines for awards, in a DNC stronghold thats what you can expect.
 


Crawley Dingo

Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
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Seagull58 said:
Trump refused to hand over classified docs, lied about them, hid them, moved them and, almost certainly sold them. There is no equivalence.
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He claimed they were de classified as he was President, seeing previous had done similar. He locked them in a secure room which was a sensible thing to do. Sold to whoom? were back to Mullers Russia again.

Your right about no equivellence, the media didn't go after the other 2 with spin and mis-information.

Trump derangement Syndrome.
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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Crawley Dingo said:
He claimed they were de classified as he was President, seeing previous had done similar. He locked them in a secure room which was a sensible thing to do. Sold to whoom? were back to Mullers Russia again.

Your right about no equivellence, the media didn't go after the other 2 with spin and mis-information.

Trump derangement Syndrome.
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you seem to ignore some documents are never declassifed and should, under their classification, never have left the whitehouse. his claims are an admission he did what he is accused of, you cant defend that with whataboutery.
 
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Zeberdi

Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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Crawley Dingo said:
He claimed they were de classified as he was President, seeing previous had done similar. He locked them in a secure room which was a sensible thing to do. Sold to whoom? were back to Mullers Russia again.

Your right about no equivellence, the media didn't go after the other 2 with spin and mis-information.

Trump derangement Syndrome.
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It doesn’t matter whether Trump thinks he declassified the documents or not. The issue is whether DoJ officials can be barred from reviewing them/using them in a criminal trial or whether some are Trump’s personal papers (which should be returned). Whether the documents are classified or not, the Espionage Act (relating to the national defence) and other Statutes cited can still apply to the handling of any ‘declassified’/unclassified information. Especially if the declassification happened without going through proper procedures.

There is no proof Trump informed any other officials that the documents he removed were declassified before being taken to Mars Lago - he simply opinions it unilaterally after the facts. It is in the informing of officials that the appropriate steps can be taken to protect information if necessary which goes to the heart of the case . There are formalised steps and procedures in using executive orders to declassify information that Trump didn’t follow - Trump ‘derangement syndrome indeed’.

That is the issue before the courts.

www.brennancenter.org

Government Classification and the Mar-a-Lago Documents

Understanding how the classification system works is critical to understanding Trump’s culpability — legal and otherwise.
www.brennancenter.org www.brennancenter.org
 


Stato

Stato

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Dec 21, 2011
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Crawley Dingo said:
If you have read anything about this woman you will see she has made multiple claims against various people andis being backed by a major Democrat.
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So you're suggesting that previous incidents of dishonesty may lead a rational person to a healthy distrust of that individual?

en.wikipedia.org

False or misleading statements by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

You, I and everyone on here knows nothing about the case. None of us were in the courtroom and none of us know everything that the jury knows. The jury found in her favour. Legally, it matters not what any number of randos on the internet want to believe. The only thing that matters is that a jury found that he sexually assaulted and then defamed her. Had he just paid up and shut up it would have cost him $5M. It wasn't a major Democrat that made Trump ignore the jury verdict and continue to defame her. Only one person decided to do that and his decision cost him another $83m. $65m of which is purely an incentive for him to just stop doing it.

The twisting of reality necessary to believe Trump is at the level needed to believe that the moon landings were faked. To believe in his honesty means that you have to believe that the entire US state, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security etc. is run by a secret cabal of anti Trumpists and staffed entirely by Americans that agree with their goal, that the shambles of a Democratic party that can't pass legislation to change the Supreme Court or enshrine Roe v Wade, or come up with a better candidate than 81 year old Joe Biden, can mastermind a secret operation to use the courts to bring down their opponent, that every one of the hundreds who have ever worked for or with Trump and afterwards told stories of his dishonesty, cheating or idiocy is making it up having been turned by the deep state, that lifelong right wing Republicans like John Bolton and Bill Barr are no longer Republicans, but acting against things that they've spent their entire political careers promoting, that the insurrection that we all witnessed live on TV in real time, wasn't what we watched, that all European heads of state are conspiring against America, but that Vlladimir Putin is a fair dealing friend, that both the Keynesian influenced economic policies, and right wing foriegn policies of the Biden administration are being set by shadowy communists, and that the current unrivalled success of the economic measures are because the markets are expecting Trump back. Obviously, as the Wikipedia page suggests, there are hundreds more untruths that have to be accepted to trust a man, who had a long history of evidenced dishonesty before even going into politics. (Or you could believe that Wiki, as edited by anyone in the world who wants to contribute, is part of the 'mainstream media' conspiracy to challenge all politicians' statements, rather than just accept as if they were made by a pope or a king).

In short: William of Oakham is spinning in his grave.
 


Curious Orange

Curious Orange

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Zeberdi

Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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Does anyone seriously think Trump’s sexual proclivities and this defamation case anyway is a major issue or anything that will affect us?

Yet again, Trump is using a foreign crisis to score election points - this time using the death of 3 US serviceman to argue that wars would not have happened in his presidency.

More concerning is Trump and the GOP ramping up fervour for an all out war with Iran on the one hand and claiming Biden has led the world to the brink of WW3 on the other - this is pure and frankly highly irresponsible electioneering purely designed to terrify the electorate into voting Republican- Biden has a major problem in how to respond without it further escalating into a war with Iran that frankly, is beginning to look more and more likely - Trump’s bellicose rhetoric will do nothing but inflame tensions with Tehran even more..


“He left our troops as sitting ducks,” said Republican US Senator Tom Cotton. “The only answer to these attacks must be devastating military retaliation against Iran’s terrorist forces, both in Iran and across the Middle East.”

The situation in the ME is escalating fast enough without Trump being in the middle of it shouting off his mouth about it and turning it into a political football to get himself elected- Biden has a very complex situation to respond to that Trump helped create in the first place btw by supporting and enabling up to Netanyahu’s far right agenda. Yet again, he is cosying up to Netanyahu’s desire to drag the US into a war with Iran and yet again currying support from foreign leaders ahead of a general election. Trump’s foreign policy largely consisted of excoriating allies and cosying up to dictators specifically to boost his own political needs - A Trump presidency is the last thing the World needs purely on the grounds of foreign policy.

Someone needs to shut the man up.
 
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nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Seagull58

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
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Vilamoura, Portugal
Crawley Dingo said:
He claimed they were de classified as he was President, seeing previous had done similar. He locked them in a secure room which was a sensible thing to do. Sold to whoom? were back to Mullers Russia again.

Your right about no equivellence, the media didn't go after the other 2 with spin and mis-information.

Trump derangement Syndrome.
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You are in a cult. Classified documents were found in several insecure locations at his Florida Hotel. He lied about having them, claimed he'd given them all back when he hadn't, and moved boxes of them to different locations when advised of an authorised search the following day.
 






nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Do any of the Trump lovers on here think he would be good for the UK? If yes, how?
 


Klaas

Klaas

I've changed this
Nov 1, 2017
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chickens said:
They were not chosen for their political allegiances, they were chosen to hear the evidence and then rule on whether what was alleged had occurred. They did so.

How on earth can you claim to support the rule of law when you decry every judgement that doesn’t follow your warped and evidence free assertions?

Your thinking is effectively “I like the guy, so he can’t have done anything wrong.”
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In a nutshell.
 






Zeberdi

Zeberdi

Brighton born & bred
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Oct 20, 2022
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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
No, I was alluding to the fact that Trump is palpably sexist by bragging about his 'activities' using this vernacular.

Do keep up at the back
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Ha ha 😎

I did say you probably didn’t mean it how it sounded 🙂 I definitely don’t need reminding of Trump’s misogynistic record though - it was me that was reminding others that he was still elected despite of it just last week with a link to the Access to Hollywood tape:

[Politics] - Donald Trump 2024

May I interject? Anyone who thinks voting for Biden is a good idea is a moron. Let’s be equally hateful. The absolute worst president (x 10) in my time living here, seven and counting. Can I just say I take great comfort in the fact that you are 5,000 miles away. We dodged a bullet there. and...
www.northstandchat.com
 
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Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
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Crawley Dingo said:
He claimed they were de classified as he was President, seeing previous had done similar. He locked them in a secure room which was a sensible thing to do. Sold to whoom? were back to Mullers Russia again.
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I know you are taking the piss but come on, a secure room?

The ego room:
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The shitter:
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Guests to his residence have gone on record to say these files were accessible and that he passed them round at parties to show off.
 




B

Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
11,876
Cumbria
Crawley Dingo said:
He claimed they were de classified as he was President, seeing previous had done similar. He locked them in a secure room which was a sensible thing to do. Sold to whoom? were back to Mullers Russia again.

Your right about no equivellence, the media didn't go after the other 2 with spin and mis-information.

Trump derangement Syndrome.
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'Locked them in a secure room'?? The ballroom was one of those, as was the shower/bathroom that was also being used as such. As well as being in a storage room accessible from the pool patio. And in a bedroom.....

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Crawley Dingo

Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
596
beorhthelm said:
you seem to ignore some documents are never declassifed and should, under their classification, never have left the whitehouse. his claims are an admission he did what he is accused of, you cant defend that with whataboutery.
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Its not whataboutery if it concerns double standards. The issue is the same, no deflection.
 


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