[Albion] Losing Macalister & Caicedo

Weststander · May 28, 2023

KZNSeagull said:
Around the pack is no good. I still think he would be better off going to City or abroad tbh

Well, this time last year Liverpool were still a win games and trophies machine. Get the defence and centre midfield revamped and they we’ll be fine.

Mac A might join Abu Dhabi, no one really knows anything.

Real Madrid won’t be buying another midfielder for a few seasons. Bellingham joins Kroos, Tchouameni, Camavinga, Valverde and some world class veterans, plus they’re mortgaged up their eyeballs.

Zeberdi · May 28, 2023

BluesRockDJ said:
But we're in the top six ? MacAllister has stated he was leaning towards Liverpool for CL football, so presumably money will talk at the end of the day ?

We are in the ’top 6’ but unless TB sells a lion share of the Seagulls to a sports washing outfit in Abu Dhabi or such, we will never be a ‘Big 6’.

That’s why we buy investment players ( academy/or first team/loan ready young talent) and sell on to a ‘higher level’ club as their football development demands and often at record levels of appreciation of their original market value before we trained them.

That our modus operandi.

€8.00 M converted to maybe €103-4 M - sell on - not a bad way to run a business

The Fits · May 28, 2023

Think about Cucu and Pervis. We got in a better player, with more experience AFTER we sold him. Our tactic isn't simply to promote youth teamers into the first team to replace our best players. That's become a myth. There's probably at least twenty names to replace both Mac and Moises.

Triggaaar · May 28, 2023

Murray 17 said:
I think a lot of people seem to think that the production line of talent will go on forever. It won't, and when our luck runs out we will be back to being a lower PL club or even worse. I don't get how some people are pretty accepting of this policy of selling our best players.

Because it's probably best for Brighton that we let them go when a) they've served us well and b) we get a good fee. We don't have a production line of talent, we buy young talent and develop them. It's possible we can keep that going, and if we're able to keep competing towards the top of the league, we'll hopefully be able to keep the best players for a bit longer.

Reddleman · May 28, 2023

Murray 17 said:
I think a lot of people seem to think that the production line of talent will go on forever. It won't, and when our luck runs out we will be back to being a lower PL club or even worse. I don't get how some people are pretty accepting of this policy of selling our best players.

Because holding onto players who want to go is completely counter productive :

1. Alexis has served us wonderfully, he wants a move. If we deny it to him when it’s been offered by a top club we end up with a demotivated player that could unsettle the squad.

2. We will only keep attracting the best young talent if they can see we are a club that won’t stand in their way if the my earn a move to a top club. We stop letting them move, they stop coming in the first place.

Alexis Mac has done everything right, he signed a new contract so we get top money for him, he hasn’t downed tools once and even though he knew he was leaving he kept performing right to the end.

I guess you are advocating we just keep hold of all these players who want to move on and no offence but that’s just totally naive.

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 28, 2023

Justice said:
Maybe TB has promised RDZ a sizeable chunk of the transfer fees to build his own squad it’s not his squad as yet. His own stamp on the squad could be fecking amazing for next season.

Maybe, you say? Perhaps that's why he isn't looking sad or angry. :wink:

nwgull · May 28, 2023

Murray 17 said:
I think a lot of people seem to think that the production line of talent will go on forever. It won't, and when our luck runs out we will be back to being a lower PL club or even worse. I don't get how some people are pretty accepting of this policy of selling our best players.

Two things:

Firstly, our successful recruitment is not luck. That is more than established.

Secondly, anyone who doesn’t accept selling a player or two every season is welcome to put in their own cash to fund continued 20-30m per season losses that would occur otherwise.

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 28, 2023

Triggaaar said:
Because it's probably best for Brighton that we let them go when a) they've served us well and b) we get a good fee. We don't have a production line of talent, we buy young talent and develop them. It's possible we can keep that going, and if we're able to keep competing towards the top of the league, we'll hopefully be able to keep the best players for a bit longer.

Precisely.

Triggaaar · May 28, 2023

Murray 17 said:
That, "we'll let you go if a good offer comes in" is something that every club in the world says to a new player, bar about 6 of the very top ones.

And when said player says to the club 'ok, you've got the big offer and I've done my time' the clubs let them go and wish them well - except for Palace who simply laugh in Zaha's face and say 'Hahahahaha does it say we'll let you go in your contract? No. Back to work fool.'

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 28, 2023

Reddleman said:
Because holding onto players who want to go is completely counter productive :

1. Alexis has served us wonderfully, he wants a move. If we deny it to him when it’s been offered by a top club we end up with a demotivated player that could unsettle the squad.

2. We will only keep attracting the best young talent if they can see we are a club that won’t stand in their way if the my earn a move to a top club. We stop letting them move, they stop coming in the first place.

Alexis Mac has done everything right, he signed a new contract so we get top money for him, he hasn’t downed tools once and even though he knew he was leaving he kept performing right to the end.

I guess you are advocating we just keep hold of all these players who want to move on and no offence but that’s just totally naive.

Yep. And now Brighton is not a stepping stone to Norwich, or Everton (a ditching to Everton doesn't count). It is a stepping stone to.....well, we shall see who can afford our most coveted players. And I said coveted, not best.)

And any more tomfoolery suicide posts and I may have to have convene a séance and see if I can call up Jim to Fix It).

Affy · May 28, 2023

Both Ali Mac and Moises have shown the babies (Sanchez, Cucu, Trossard) the proper way to engineer a move. Moisés’ Twitter post in January was most likely naivety and manipulative agents. Both have knuckled down, played out of their skins and proved their ability and more importantly, their character. They are probably the most valuable they will be under a Brighton contract. Whilst I’m sure we would all like them to stay, I highly doubt very few will begrudge them moving on Early in the window for a good fee Allowing us time and money to find replacements.

Weststander · May 28, 2023

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Yep. And now Brighton is not a stepping stone to Norwich, or Everton (a ditching to Everton doesn't count). It is a stepping stone to.....well, we shall see who can afford our most coveted players. And I said coveted, not best.)

And any more tomfoolery suicide posts and I may have to have convene a séance and see if I can call up Jim to Fix It).

I was really, really gutted (for some of these, I was just a kid) when we lost Ward, Case, Stevens, Crofts, Bennett and Muzza.

These days I kind of take these player losses in my stride, possibly because of my supreme confidence in Tony Bloom.

WATFORD zero · May 28, 2023

And Lewis, Pascal, Welbz, Lallana, Velts, Solly, Webster will bring the next lot of youngsters through, and ensure they will grow and blossom into the best young footballers they can possibly be. When they go, they will take some replacement, but we're working on it :wink:

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 28, 2023

Weststander said:
I was really, really gutted (for some of these, I was just a kid) when we lost Ward, Case, Stevens, Crofts, Bennett and Muzza.

These days I kind of take these player losses in my stride, possibly because of my supreme confidence in Tony Bloom.

That's grown up talk. Mind you head - flying wet bedding incoming! :wink:

AlexBH · May 28, 2023

Triggaaar said:
And when said player says to the club 'ok, you've got the big offer and I've done my time' the clubs let them go and wish them well - except for Palace who simply laugh in Zaha's face and say 'Hahahahaha does it say we'll let you go in your contract? No. Back to work fool.'

Isn’t Zaha their best paid player on a very good wage. He’s playing for his local team and he’s their star player. I’m sure he’d probably take double the wages to play elsewhere, but I don’t see why he’d be in any rush to leave Palace.

Justice · May 28, 2023

When it comes down to it who would we rather watch exciting talent like Mitoma and Enciso we signed for less than that ex Celtic plodder Palace signed and pay a fortune to in wages. Or keep players hostage like HaHa and pay them £200k a week because we are scared what will happen if we let them go

Red Squirrel · May 28, 2023

when you're sitting on a balcony in a luxury hotel overlooking a wonderous exotic sunrise, someone will always want to come along and piss in your cornflakes.

This is the best time to be an Albion fan ever. It won't last forever. It can't last forever. When it ends, it might be painful but we can have a great time now by living in the present and not worrying about things that are not in our control.

If MacAllister and Caicedo leave, their time here will have been a massive success both on the pitch and financially. By leaving, they create opportunities for other players. RDZ seems to be happy with this. That's how we roll. This will continue for a while but it might not be successful forever. When it fails, we'll have some amazing memories.

For now, just enjoy our ever best season and the promise of a European tour. You can keep the cornflakes, I'm skipping breakfast.

The Pilsbury Echo · May 28, 2023

Justice said:
Maybe TB has promised RDZ a sizeable chunk of the transfer fees to build his own squad it’s not his squad as yet. His own stamp on the squad could be fecking amazing for next season.

The summer transfer window will soon be open and 99.9% of us have no idea what RDZ OR CLUB will have up their sleeve. In a way we are all in the same boat as Forest Gump. His mother once said " life is like a box of chocolates, you just don't know what you gonna get" it worked for him. I'm personally looking forward to seeing how our summer window plays out. It could be worse folks, we could be Spurs who have a narrow minded chairman who seem to have no one wanting their job, according to sources tonight, they approached Phillip Schofield today and offered him the mangers job but he thanked them politely but declined as it may ruin his reputation!
I will get my coat...have a good summer people x

Weststander · May 28, 2023

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
That's grown up talk. Mind you head - flying wet bedding incoming!

NSC silly season, there’ll be doom n gloom posts/threads until 1 Sept, ignoring all the quality recruiting :lolol:

KZNSeagull · May 28, 2023

AlexBH said:
Isn’t Zaha their best paid player on a very good wage. He’s playing for his local team and he’s their star player. I’m sure he’d probably take double the wages to play elsewhere, but I don’t see why he’d be in any rush to leave Palace.

He can't like them that much - he tells them he is leaving every summer.

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