[Albion] Safe Standing Survey Results

Weststander · Apr 11, 2023

Was the survey only of NS STH’ers? On the actual principle, it should’ve been just that.

The view of safe standing opponents sitting 75 metres away, should have no bearing.

Easy 10 · Apr 11, 2023

If the safe standing area was "stand where you want" then I'd be all for it. But as you're just paying for your own designated rail seat - meh.

Hove Lagoonery · Apr 11, 2023

Hamilton said:
But in an unsafe environment.

Perhaps they should all be made to sit down now.

Yep, it's really unsafe to stand in front of your seat with the ever present risk of those crowd surges.

WhingForPresident · Apr 12, 2023

So we'll just carry on with 'unsafe standing' in the majority of the North 🫠

Hotchilidog · Apr 12, 2023

Struggling to understand the outrage here. Whilst there is some demand for safe standing there is no universal clamour for it. The club is now choosing to spend its resources on the outside fanzone instead.

Installing safe standing is expensive and does not increase capacity so the club has choices to make with regards to spending and has prioritised an area which will be benefit all attendees.

Also S/S remains on the agenda so it is not ruled out in the future. I suspect when safe standing becomes the norm in stadia we will follow suit. It is just not a priority now

dazzer6666 · Apr 12, 2023

faoileán said:
Completely this. And frankly what is the point of taking the opinion of STHs who sit in the East or West Stands into account? Of course they aren't interested in safe standing and it's never going to impact them anyway! It's just the age-old manipulation of data to make it support whatever you want the outcome to be in the guise of consultation... We should be better than this.

I’m in WSL but would move to a safe standing area if one was available, but obviously no point in my opinion :shrug:

Herr Tubthumper · Apr 12, 2023

Weststander said:
Was the survey only of NS STH’ers? On the actual principle, it should’ve been just that.

The view of sage standing opponents sitting 75 metres away, should have no bearing.

It was sent to all stands. And from memory some of the questions were not always applicable and open to slight interpretation.

Terry Butcher Tribute Act · Apr 12, 2023

banjo said:
I can safely say I can stand safely in the NS.

Safely? Because you've not yet gone over a seat ?

Weststander said:
Was the survey only of NS STH’ers? On the actual principle, it should’ve been just that.

The view of sage standing opponents sitting 75 metres away, should have no bearing.

While i agree with you to a point, if you only survey the people that stand anyway then that would be manipulation of the data to suit only those who of course want to stand! I am not sure what they would get out of it.

The club almost certainly has little interest in safe standing because there is nothing in it for them other than a cost of a few million quid. I guess they are prepared to take the risk that nobody is cracking bones after tumbling down a few rows - they will know how many incidents there have been in the North in the last decade or so.

It is at least a bit reassuring that there are some vaguely insightful results to come from this survey rather than the last one which was a complete and utter farce, but it still feels very much a tick box exercise for them and something they can say they FAB has done.

Give it a few more years when we are the only stadium in the Prem without it and things might change, unless the North Standers want to campaign for it

Official Old Man · Apr 12, 2023

I voted. Thinking about how it was asked, I'd have said yes to ss but no to a surcharge as I'm in East upper.

Springal · Apr 12, 2023

Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
Safely? Because you've not yet gone over a seat ?

700 people die a year climbing stairs in England, yet they make thousands of us climb 100+ of them up and down on a match day.

The bigger challenge is where do you put it, what do you do with those in that area that don’t want it etc.

Herr Tubthumper · Apr 12, 2023

Weststander said:
Was the survey only of NS STH’ers? On the actual principle, it should’ve been just that.

The view of sage standing opponents sitting 75 metres away, should have no bearing.

I personally think the only questions which need to be asked are:
North Standers:

1) Do you want safe standing?
2) If no, will you be prepared to stay in the north and use it? or move away?

Others:
1) will you move to a safe-standing area if it is available?

Terry Butcher Tribute Act · Apr 12, 2023

Springal said:
700 people die a year climbing stairs in England, yet they make thousands of us climb 100+ of them up and down on a match day.

The bigger challenge is where do you put it, what do you do with those in that area that don’t want it etc.

Stairs are designed to be climbed. Seating areas aren't designed to be stood in. But i agree with your other point. Given almost the entire the North stands, the logistics of finding an area to implement safe standing, then choosing how to manage moving people into/out of it, would be a complete nightmare

dazzer6666 · Apr 12, 2023

Herr Tubthumper said:
I personally think the only questions which need to be asked are:
North Standers:

1) Do you want safe standing?
2) If no, will you be prepared to stay in the north and use it? or move away?

Others:
1) will you move to a safe-standing area if it is available?

If not, where would you want to move to and are you prepared to pay more for your season ticket ?

schmunk · Apr 12, 2023

jonny.rainbow said:
Yep, but because I didn’t know about the survey, I didn’t check the email account the club have for me.

You can hardly blame the club for that, though - it's like giving them a contact phone number then leaving your phone turned off...

Herr Tubthumper · Apr 12, 2023

dazzer6666 said:
If not, where would you want to move to and are you prepared to pay more for your season ticket ?

I don’t agree this should be funded directly by the fans. There must be a pot for stadium upkeep and enhancements etc…take out of that. Eg when all the lounges were upgraded our ticket prices did not got up specifically to pay for this. Same with the blue, now white, plans for the roof being redone. Obviously the cost is in there somewhere but then so are many things relating to the infrastructure.

That said, Installing safe standing can’t cost that much….spread over 30 odd thousand for a few seasons it shouldn’t be much of an uplift.

Wozza · Apr 12, 2023

As an aside, I noticed (from photos) that fans were SITTING in the safe standing area at Wembley for the women's finalissima last week...

banjo · Apr 12, 2023

Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
Safely? Because you've not yet gone over a seat ?

While i agree with you to a point, if you only survey the people that stand anyway then that would be manipulation of the data to suit only those who of course want to stand! I am not sure what they would get out of it.

The club almost certainly has little interest in safe standing because there is nothing in it for them other than a cost of a few million quid. I guess they are prepared to take the risk that nobody is cracking bones after tumbling down a few rows - they will know how many incidents there have been in the North in the last decade or so.

It is at least a bit reassuring that there are some vaguely insightful results to come from this survey rather than the last one which was a complete and utter farce, but it still feels very much a tick box exercise for them and something they can say they FAB has done.

Give it a few more years when we are the only stadium in the Prem without it and things might change, unless the North Standers want to campaign for it

Our group got seats in the very back row, so was always gonna stand.

BN41Albion · Apr 12, 2023

Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
Safely? Because you've not yet gone over a seat ?

that only potentially happens when celebrating a goal. Its obviously not unsafe when just standing watching the game. If your argument is that it's unsafe when a goal is scored then surely every ground should be 100% safe standing

matski_98 · Apr 12, 2023

From the outset it felt like the club had already decided that this wasn't going to happen, and the survey was just a token gesture to the Fans Forum.

As more and more clubs have it installed (for safety!) it is going to happen eventually, but until then the club are happy to kick that can down the road as it's an overhead that's not going to generate any additional revenue.

Clive Walker · Apr 12, 2023

Hotchilidog said:
Struggling to understand the outrage here. Whilst there is some demand for safe standing there is no universal clamour for it. The club is now choosing to spend its resources on the outside fanzone instead.

Installing safe standing is expensive and does not increase capacity so the club has choices to make with regards to spending and has prioritised an area which will be benefit all attendees.

Also S/S remains on the agenda so it is not ruled out in the future. I suspect when safe standing becomes the norm in stadia we will follow suit. It is just not a priority now

can you please stop. there is a time and a place for sensible and reasonable posts and this simply isn't it!

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