[Albion] Maty Ryan joins Arsenal

[Icy Gull]

I don’t have any issue with the decision to replace him, I didn’t after time. I do find the decision to show him the door very harsh and I don’t think anyone can blame him for being anything other than upset.

I get why he would be upset but it’s refreshing to have a manager who chooses not to leave players he no longer rates on the sidelines, best for all parties if they find another club. He did very well to get himself signed by Arsenal, at least he might get some lesser games.

 

[Skaville]

He could have been disgruntled anyway. Being out of the matchday squad doesnt mean he ceased to exist as a person or on the training facilities.

I don’t think you understand the course of events. He was in the match day squad, called to the office and told he was no longer part of the clubs plans. It wasn’t a series of discussions

 

[Skaville]

Its not "unprecedented". When players dont perform over an extended amount of time they are frequently told that they could go look for another club. Its very common.

Okay, I think you’re missing my point. Give an example of a keeper who is number one and then, mid season, is told that he needs to accept other offers in the next window and not even relegated the bench. That is unprecedented as far as I know.

 

[Swansman]

I don’t think you understand the course of events. He was in the match day squad, called to the office and told he was no longer part of the clubs plans. It wasn’t a series of discussions

How do you know? And what is there to discuss?

I think I have a decent clue of the "course of events". Ryan started the season as no 1, didnt perform, GP gave the shirt to Sanchez, Ryan probably didnt love it and GP dont want unhappy players in the squad, so Ryan got the opportunity/had to move elsewhere. Thats how I believe things went down.

 

[The Wizard]

Okay, I think you’re missing my point. Give an example of a keeper who is number one and then, mid season, is told that he needs to accept other offers in the next window and not even relegated the bench. That is unprecedented as far as I know.

Give an example of a goalkeeper who concedes more goals than he makes saves? Amazingly that was statistically true at one point this season, I think around the Leicester game.

That’s probably the indirect answer to why that’s never happened before.

 

[Skaville]

Give an example of a goalkeeper who concedes more goals than he makes saves? Amazingly that was statistically true at one point this season, I think around the Leicester game.

That’s probably the indirect answer to why that’s never happened before.

How was his form in the previous three seasons? Strikers stop scoring goals. Defenders make a run of mistakes. Even Dunk went through a spell on the Championship where he was a massive liability. Form is temporary. He made seven saves. His first game for arsenal.

 

[The Wizard]

How was his form in the previous three seasons? Strikers stop scoring goals. Defenders make a run of mistakes. Even Dunk went through a spell on the Championship where he was a massive liability. Form is temporary. He made seven saves. His first game for arsenal.

His form had been steadily declining, Doesn’t really matter what he did the previous seasons does it? He was costing us games THIS season, by conceding over 50% of our shots faced and we were getting in real danger of being relegated, that alongside the incident we know about with Maupay there’s sure to have been more that we don’t know about that’s gone on.

Indeed, he played well in his one game he’s got for Arsenal and it’s a good job because he won’t get another one unless Leno is struck down, that’s the reality of his ‘massive step up’

I find it hard to believe anyone could look at his comments and say they aren’t thoroughly unprofessional for a player who is still under contract with us.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

His form had been steadily declining, Doesn’t really matter what he did the previous seasons does it? He was costing us games THIS season, by conceding over 50% of our shots faced and we were getting in real danger of being relegated, that alongside the incident we know about with Maupay there’s sure to have been more that we don’t know about that’s gone on.

Indeed, he played well in his one game he’s got for Arsenal and it’s a good job because he won’t get another one unless Leno is struck down, that’s the reality of his ‘massive step up’

I find it hard to believe anyone could look at his comments and say they aren’t thoroughly unprofessional for a player who is still under contract with us.

I'm pleased for him, he has got his step up, it may help him reach the crosses. For us we have a far better keeper, who is still learning and will make mistakes, perhaps not a bad thing for him we're behind closed doors as that crowd pressure isn't there. Nonetheless he is already showing what he brings to the side and hopefully fulfils the potential the club believes he has. Hurrah

 

[Skaville]

His form had been steadily declining, Doesn’t really matter what he did the previous seasons does it? He was costing us games THIS season, by conceding over 50% of our shots faced and we were getting in real danger of being relegated, that alongside the incident we know about with Maupay there’s sure to have been more that we don’t know about that’s gone on.

Indeed, he played well in his one game he’s got for Arsenal and it’s a good job because he won’t get another one unless Leno is struck down, that’s the reality of his ‘massive step up’

I find it hard to believe anyone could look at his comments and say they aren’t thoroughly unprofessional for a player who is still under contract with us.

So eleven games, just over a quarter of a season, is long enough to write a player off entirely? Truth is it was a change in direction, we wanted a different type of keeper. If it was simply form they would have stuck by him. As I said, I have no issue with the decision to drop him, I just think it’s harsh for a keeper of his class to be excluded altogether mid season.

 

[Weststander]

So eleven games, just over a quarter of a season, is long enough to write a player off entirely? Truth is it was a change in direction, we wanted a different type of keeper. If it was simply form they would have stuck by him. As I said, I have no issue with the decision to drop him, I just think it’s harsh for a keeper of his class to be excluded altogether mid season.

None of us know exactly what happened. MR has said his piece, whilst yet again (as with Poyet etc) the club gracefully keep their counsel.

Just a question. Is it possible that he didn’t take kindly to being dropped for the second time and asked to be allowed to leave, which the club immediately agreed to?

Others such as Stephens, Duffy and Knockaert were eased out of the first team and departed on amicable terms.

 

[Skaville]

None of us know exactly what happened. MR has said his piece, whilst yet again (as with Poyet etc) the club gracefully keep their counsel.

Just a question. Is it possible that he didn’t take kindly to being dropped for the second time and asked to be allowed to leave, which the club immediately agreed to?

Others such as Stephens, Duffy and Knockaert were eased out of the first team and departed on amicable terms.

If that was the case, why would he fabricate the story that he was dropped altogether and told to accept other offers? That’s more personally damaging/embarrassing.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

None of us know exactly what happened. MR has said his piece, whilst yet again (as with Poyet etc) the club gracefully keep their counsel.

Just a question. Is it possible that he didn’t take kindly to being dropped for the second time and asked to be allowed to leave, which the club immediately agreed to?

Others such as Stephens, Duffy and Knockaert were eased out of the first team and departed on amicable terms.

We will probably never know and it would conjecture for anyone to suggest anything. We can only go on facts. We are better without him in the team, he appears happier to be at a big club currently, the sports presenter who interviewed him was pretty, he has a deep voice for a midget and Big Bob is our No 1.

This summer will be interesting as he won't be the only one eased out.

Just one other thing the team togetherness appears to be the best since Potter's arrival. Obviously results play a huge part in that but it's a mindset and just perhaps whatever happened has resolved any issues.

 

[Shooting Star]

Okay, I think you’re missing my point. Give an example of a keeper who is number one and then, mid season, is told that he needs to accept other offers in the next window and not even relegated the bench. That is unprecedented as far as I know.

Very much agree with this.

GP isn't wrong in his goalkeeping strategy of having a permanent number 2 for matchday purposes, rather than a number 2 who is there to push for the starting spot. That's the way he wishes to manage his team. However, it does appear unique. A more conventional goalkeeping policy would have seen Maty merely drop to the bench. If I take his words at face value (and for his usual honesty and service to the club, why shouldn't I?), if GP had handled it this way, Maty would have been disappointed but would have conducted himself with his usual professionalism and spent the rest of the season fighting for the spot.

I've watched 20 minutes of that interview and unless the remaining 15 minutes is heinous, I personally don't find any of Maty's words unprofessional. If any of us were treated this way in our line of work, I'm sure we would react fairly similarly, if not worse. Again, I'm not saying GP is wrong. All I'm saying is that from Maty's words, there are other (more conventional) ways to have dropped him that would not have led to this situation.

 

[vagabond]

Okay, I think you’re missing my point. Give an example of a keeper who is number one and then, mid season, is told that he needs to accept other offers in the next window and not even relegated the bench. That is unprecedented as far as I know.

Give an example of a senior international goalkeeper in the Premier Leauge, who is a regular for 3 seasons and then dropped for a rookie goalkeeper who last played for Rochdale?

Of course it’s reasonably unprecedented as the keeper position itself is a very unique one!

The point is Matt underperformed for a very long time. This is elite level football, not a charity. GP’s job may have been on the line, coaches and staff, the club itself if we went down. A decision had to be made, and I think you’d have to be Maty’s family to not admit that it’s been proven to be the correct one. Since Sanchez has come in, literally records have been broken, unbeaten run of games, clean sheets.

Once you’ve made the decision to replace your number one what possible benefit would it be to GP, the players, and the club to keep a pissed off guy in and around every match day squad looking over the keepers shoulder?

 

[Weststander]

We will probably never know and it would conjecture for anyone to suggest anything. We can only go on facts. We are better without him in the team, he appears happier to be at a big club currently, the sports presenter who interviewed him was pretty, he has a deep voice for a midget and Big Bob is our No 1.

This summer will be interesting as he won't be the only one eased out.

Just one other thing the team togetherness appears to be the best since Potter's arrival. Obviously results play a huge part in that but it's a mindset and just perhaps whatever happened has resolved any issues.

Totally agree with you. As GP looked shell shocked during the phase of the WBA, Arsenal, Burnley, Stains home games, as I watched on the box, post final whistle the likes of Dunk stood tall and never came across as part of a doomed team in a doomed season.

As a typically emotionally up and down supporter, I was interested and amazed by that. Clearly the squad respect for GP, his man management and the big picture is immense.

Ryan and Bernardo have clearly played their last games for us. I wonder who’ll join them in the summer.

 

[The Wizard]

People genuinely think Potter called him into his office and basically dismissed him from the club with no rhyme or reason? Unless there were other issues going on why would Potter not have just benched him?

It’s much more likely he’s been told Sanchez is the new number one and he’s thrown a wobbly, the comments he made about wanting to play for us for 2-3 years and then move to a bigger club are damning in terms of this, if that’s true then he certainly wouldn’t have reacted well to sitting on the bench week in week out.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Totally agree with you. As GP looked shell shocked during the phase of the WBA, Arsenal, Burnley, Stains home games, as I watched on the box, post final whistle the likes of Dunk stood tall and never came across as part of a doomed team in a doomed season.

As a typically emotionally up and down supporter, I was interested and amazed by that. Clearly the squad respect for GP, his man management and the big picture is immense.

Ryan and Bernardo have clearly played their last games for us. I wonder who’ll join them in the summer.

Undoubtedly his leadership team on the pitch had a huge part to play, it's no coincidence Dunk has found his top form. I'm sure a load of things have been said and now perhaps all parties are in receipt of the same hymn sheet.

 

[Weststander]

If that was the case, why would he fabricate the story that he was dropped altogether and told to accept other offers? That’s more personally damaging/embarrassing.

To put a spin on part of the story, so that he looks a bit unfairly treated. In work situations, people say these things.

Personally I think the club act professionally on player matters. Some other clubs such as Citeh and any club Mourinho’s managed leave some players to train with development squads/kids simply when they feel they’re surplus to first team requirements. We don’t play those games to get people to leave.

As an international and hitherto first teamer, my guess is that MR took the news badly that his performances had dipped so far that he was no longer in the match day squad.

 

[Skaville]

Give an example of a senior international goalkeeper in the Premier Leauge, who is a regular for 3 seasons and then dropped for a rookie goalkeeper who last played for Rochdale?

Of course it’s reasonably unprecedented as the keeper position itself is a very unique one!

The point is Matt underperformed for a very long time. This is elite level football, not a charity. GP’s job may have been on the line, coaches and staff, the club itself if we went down. A decision had to be made, and I think you’d have to be Maty’s family to not admit that it’s been proven to be the correct one. Since Sanchez has come in, literally records have been broken, unbeaten run of games, clean sheets.

Once you’ve made the decision to replace your number one what possible benefit would it be to GP, the players, and the club to keep a pissed off guy in and around every match day squad looking over the keepers shoulder?

He wasn’t just dropped for Sanchez, he was dropped below Steele and Walton too. The three of them were entirely unproven at this level (two of them still are).

Like I’ve said several times, I have no issue with the decision to drop him, I didn’t at the time. It was a change of direction but must have hurt like hell. I just don’t take any issue with him saying anything he says in that interview.

 

[vagabond]

He wasn’t just dropped for Sanchez, he was dropped below Steele and Walton too. The three of them were entirely unproven at this level (two of them still are).

Like I’ve said several times, I have no issue with the decision to drop him, I didn’t at the time. It was a change of direction but must have hurt like hell. I just don’t take any issue with him saying anything he says in that interview.

Ok cool, and I wish Maty well, but you gloss over the crucial part.

What possible benefit would it be to the club to keep a pissed off senior keeper in every match day squad? Surely you can see that would impact team morale?