[Football] Gustavo Poyet

[Dick Knights Mumm]

He will end up throwing a strop and walking out on you

That will not be news .......

 

[Culinary]

I see you currently have a vacancy for chairman. Gus - wherever he has gone - has fallen out with his chairman.

If Gus comes in now he'll look to do everything his way, so when the new chairman does come in they might have a job wresting power back from him.

With the lack of money, no chairman, Gus having been out of management for over 2 years and Sunderland's basket case reputation it is difficult to see this appointment going well.

As I say, we're in transition between owners. I'm hoping that the new owners have their appointments ready to go (chairman included) otherwise it doesn't reflect very well on them and is a bit of an ominous start. Most rumours are saying that Poyet has already had discussions with the sporting director to be, not that we know who that is yet!

Hopefully there isn't going to be a lack of money once the deal is complete/approved by the EFL. I can't imagine we're paying Poyet a normal L1 managers salary (the current owners couldn't afford Paul Cook's demands when we were last appointing!) The salary cap may present challenges though but you'd presume Poyet is aware of those constraints.

 

[Oscar]

Gus will always be an Albion legend for me. He started the on-the-field revolution that we are still enjoying now.

If he does take over at Sunderland, enjoy the ride, the flair and the fun until, one day, it all explodes into one big dramatic end.

You might even get Tanno and Charlie with him.

Worst that can happen is it'll make for a brilliant new season of Sunderland Til I Die.

 

[jakarta]

Eeet will be complicated...

 

[Brighton Mackem]

With what I've seen this season could struggle to play the passing game with the current squad.

 

[The Wizard]

Some of our fans are so disrespectful towards Gus, he changed the course of this club at a key point in our recent history and despite things ending on a sour note I absolutely loved Gus and what he did for us at the time, we wouldn’t be where we are not without him. Poyet is very much like a soap opera or TV drama, you know a shit storm is around the corner somewhere but if he gets you playing his way and can get the right players you’ll love it.

Hopefully they make a season of Sunderland Till I Die with him in charge, that would be quite something.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

His ego is bigger than any club, he was a good manager, I don't like him as a person from interviews and what I have read / heard about him.
His defense of Suarez was simply embarrassing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-war-them-and-same-time-use-word-6267587.html

 

[Pavilionaire]

As I say, we're in transition between owners. I'm hoping that the new owners have their appointments ready to go (chairman included) otherwise it doesn't reflect very well on them and is a bit of an ominous start. Most rumours are saying that Poyet has already had discussions with the sporting director to be, not that we know who that is yet!

Hopefully there isn't going to be a lack of money once the deal is complete/approved by the EFL. I can't imagine we're paying Poyet a normal L1 managers salary (the current owners couldn't afford Paul Cook's demands when we were last appointing!) The salary cap may present challenges though but you'd presume Poyet is aware of those constraints.

Is there a glass ceiling at The Stadium of Light?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

The concern I'd have is the Sunderland support have a reputation for requiring "passion" on the pitch. Poyet changed our club and to my mind at least, educated us in appreciating possession football. He did place faith in younger players - and some who most supporters did not think of as Poyet players. I am thinking mainly of El-Abd. He used mainly players that were already there with some solid, rather than spectacular signings. As above - that full season in League One was brilliant. However it's possible teams are now used to playing against possession teams in the division - Oxford for one. I hope it all works. As also pointed out above - it will all end in tears - but hopefully with you in the Championship at least.

 

[timbha]

I’ve never forgiven him for the way he acted after the play off semi home defeat by Palace, something that still makes me shiver.

Listening to his radio interview on the way home from that match made me shudder. All that he had achieved in the previous few years went out of the window.

Then the lies about hearing he had been sacked whilst on TV.

League 1 might be his level now but you’ll need deep pockets, a tolerant Chairman and plenty of cones for Oatway to put out. Adam El Abd might even make a comeback - Poyet made him a good player.

 

[herecomesaregular]

To answer your question I can't really think of youth he brought through. He was better at getting exceptional older players to come to us and then be magnificent (Matt Upson, Wayne Bridge, Bruno, Vicente - ok only in flashes), he could certainly attract a player.

 

[Culinary]

With what I've seen this season could struggle to play the passing game with the current squad.

Yeah, that's very fair. Does it compare unfavourably with what he inherited with yourselves when appointed though?

His strength for me always seemed to be in his coaching. In his time with us he got technically limited players like Phil Bardsley, Lee Cattermole and John O'Shea playing in a way not many would have dreamt possible. I'd be reasonably confident that we've got enough players of reasonable ability that he could have a decent crack at implementing his style.

 

[Surf's Up]

They do say you should never go back....just saying.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Yeah, that's very fair. Does it compare unfavourably with what he inherited with yourselves when appointed though?

His strength for me always seemed to be in his coaching. In his time with us he got technically limited players like Phil Bardsley, Lee Cattermole and John O'Shea playing in a way not many would have dreamt possible. I'd be reasonably confident that we've got enough players of reasonable ability that he could have a decent crack at implementing his style.

Famously he got Adam El Abd playing out of his skin for us.
edit - and of course same for Will Buckley and Liam Bridcutt. All 3 never reached such levels after leaving us.

 

[feller]

Poyet just put himself out of the running saying he doesn't want to manage in League 1.

Someone thinks his stock is higher than it is imo...

 

[Culinary]

The concern I'd have is the Sunderland support have a reputation for requiring "passion" on the pitch. Poyet changed our club and to my mind at least, educated us in appreciating possession football. He did place faith in younger players - and some who most supporters did not think of as Poyet players. I am thinking mainly of El-Abd. He used mainly players that were already there with some solid, rather than spectacular signings. As above - that full season in League One was brilliant. However it's possible teams are now used to playing against possession teams in the division - Oxford for one. I hope it all works. As also pointed out above - it will all end in tears - but hopefully with you in the Championship at least.

Remember we have had him before. An element of our support took time to come to terms with the style, some never have/will accept it but the majority did. We probably are slightly uneducated in terms of appreciation of possession football (we've hardly been spoilt in that regard over the years), a lot of us prefer an up and at them style (there's merit in that, there's no right way to play the game in my opinion) but if we're winning I doubt there'll be many grumbles.

 

[Justice]

To answer your question I can't really think of youth he brought through. He was better at getting exceptional older players to come to us and then be magnificent (Matt Upson, Wayne Bridge, Bruno, Vicente - ok only in flashes), he could certainly attract a player.

Also found Ulloa and one VVD unfortunately we couldn’t at the time afford both.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Most of the players seemed to absolutely love him.

He didn't bring a lot of youth through, Lewis Dunk was about the only one that I can think of. Although he didn't appear to have a problem working with younger players - he bought a 19 or 20 year old Ashley Barnes from Plymouth's reserves and played him week in week out, Tommy Elphick played a lot for us and he was fairly young at the time(i think), he bought a 20/21 year old Elliot Bennett from Wolves reserves and made him a key player, he got a teenaged Chris Wood on loan for most of the season and I don't think Liam Bridcutt was very old either.

He mixed them in with the solid pro's who were already there and a few older players(Kishichev in league 1, Bruno, Upson, Bridge, Vicente in the championship) and made a dynamite team. Or so I'm told. I never got to see them in the flesh.

 

[Mackenzie]

I can’t remember him using too many youth players, probably because most of them weren’t all that good. He did, very quickly, impose a new style of possession football which was very successful. We did have some good players though for the level in Barnes, Murray and Elliott Bennett.

It’ll be interesting though for you, he’s certainly a character.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Poyet just put himself out of the running saying he doesn't want to manage in League 1.

Someone thinks his stock is higher than it is imo...

Where did you get this info? Nothing online.