[Albion] Albion 83 against Team Potter

[SockMonster]

To me, Fozzie is a bit like a Duffy. Good solid Centre Half but nothing special. Made to look better by playing alongside class partners. Stevens, Lawrenson etc.

One of my favourite Albion games was v Tottenham at White Hart Lane in October 1981. Hoddle, Ardiiles etc and Chris Hughton for them. From what i remember Spurs needed a win to go top of First Division for the first time in ages. They were all over us and Hoddle was simply superb but Fozzie was magnificent that day! Repelled everything. So commanding. It felt like Hoddle v Foster all evening. And then we nicked the win with goal by Michael Robinson. It was pretty scary leaving the stadium! Brilliant stuff!

 

[Swansman]

Is there some way of proving the game is quicker ? Apart from Lamptey we are not that quick and don`t forget the pitches were a lot worse in them days .One thing about Jimmy Case he had a great shot from distance although he use to get stuck in so he would not be on the pitch very long with players looking like they have been shot by a sniper these days ,

I've always found this very interesting.

I'm not sure there's been any major study to investigate it, though I imagine it should be possible with the technology available today to gather a lot of data from old games. I would love to see it.

The only real dive into the subject that I can recall was some German sport scientists that I read some news article about ten-fifteen years ago.

He had made some research - dont remember the scale of it - and reached the conclusion that yes, the game is quicker than in the past, but not as much as you might think, because the increase in cameras and camera cuts make the game look even faster than it is. That was ten-fifteen years ago though and I would imagine that things have evolved since then, probably making the game faster.

 

[Lenny Rider]

7th April 1980 Brighton 0 Bristol City 1
8th April 1980 Brighton 3 Wolves 0

Imagine asking the luvvies to play twice in 24 hours today

One was away from home surely?

 

[Lenny Rider]

One of my favourite Albion games was v Tottenham at White Hart Lane in October 1981. Hoddle, Ardiiles etc and Chris Hughton for them. From what i remember Spurs needed a win to go top of First Division for the first time in ages. They were all over us and Hoddle was simply superb but Fozzie was magnificent that day! Repelled everything. So commanding. It felt like Hoddle v Foster all evening. And then we nicked the win with goal by Michael Robinson. It was pretty scary leaving the stadium! Brilliant stuff!

We got escorted back to the club coaches, and coach behind us had a window put out as we pulled away.

Great days though.

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

One was away from home surely?

Both at the Goldstone

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Graham Mossley was better than Ryan

Both bang average goalkeepers at best in my opinion, so probably fitting that they were/are playing for a club who are fighting a relegation battle.

I don't have any real problem with our defence, but l would bring in Grealish to shore things up in midfield and add a bit of bite, and as for upfront, well both Robinson and Smith would sleepwalk their way into my starting eleven..

 

[zefarelly]

Both bang average goalkeepers at best in my opinion, so probably fitting that they were/are playing for a club who are fighting a relegation battle.

I don't have any real problem with our defence, but l would bring in Grealish to shore things up in midfield and add a bit of bite, and as for upfront, well both Robinson and Smith would sleepwalk their way into my starting eleven..

Certainly no Perry Digweed

I agree re Robinson and Smith too.

 

[Official Old Man]

Just watch a retro game on the tv and a modern one, you’d see the difference instantly

1/ Picture is in B/W and 405 or 625 lines.
2/ Picture is square.
3/ Picture has lots of lines where VHS tracking is out.
If you find a colour picture-
4/ Pitch is sandy colour, because of the sand.
5/ Anything red is real blood.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

1/ Picture is in B/W and 405 or 625 lines.
2/ Picture is square.
3/ Picture has lots of lines where VHS tracking is out.
If you find a colour picture-
4/ Pitch is sandy colour, because of the sand.
5/ Anything red is real blood.

Or the pitch is dark brown due to the thick mud.

 

[Wardy's twin]

I watched a part of a game the other day what was most different was the amount of permissible physical contact , crunching tackles and both players getting up and getting on with the game , no rolling around , no asking for red cards. The play was also surprisingly fast because it was direct i.e. it went from box to box very quickly. People mention about Case and his shooting but I would say his stronger asset was to be able to hit a pass 40 yard at pace but accurately i.e. in front of the player so they could run onto it not stop and dawdle.

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

I watched a part of a game the other day what was most different was the amount of permissible physical contact , crunching tackles and both players getting up and getting on with the game , no rolling around , no asking for red cards. The play was also surprisingly fast because it was direct i.e. it went from box to box very quickly. People mention about Case and his shooting but I would say his stronger asset was to be able to hit a pass 40 yard at pace but accurately i.e. in front of the player so they could run onto it not stop and dawdle.

Is that the same Jimmy Case that won the league 4 times and the European Cup 3 times amongst other honours

Yeah,he wasn't bad was he

Must be one of Brighton's most decorated players of all time I'd imagine?

Great player!

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Assuming the 1983 team would be allowed to train and eat properly -

MOSELEY v Ryan Taller
Ramsey v LAMPTEY Both fast but Lamptey is something special.
FOSTER v Dunk Fozzie was a leader and had that nasty streak that was necessary in those days. Weighed in with a few goals too.
STEVENS v Webster No contest
GATTING v Burn Gatting was a better footballer and when he played left back he looked as if he knew what he was doing. Also a regular goalscorer.
Pearce v MARCH Pearce was underrated and Solly is infuriating but I just about give it to Hailsham's finest
Grealish v BISSOUMA Biss is naturally talented player, Tony G was a clever trier.
Howlett v ALZATE Alzate could be one of our best ever - if Potter gets round to playing him, that is.
CASE v Gross Case had the experience, the shot and the devil. No Cruyff turn, but ...
ROBINSON v Maupay One could score goals and run all day. The other is Maupay.
Smith v LALLANA Smudger was a subtle player with goals in his game, but Lallana is more of a leader.
SMILLIE v Ali J Both hard-working wingers but Smillie was more effective
RYAN v Connolly Gerry could perform wide and down the centre and knew where the goal was.

We haven't seen enough of Welbeck to know, and there aren't really direct equivalents for Veltman and White. If it's White v Stevens, Gary S still gets the nod on what we've seen so far.

If I had to pick a 'best of' team, it would be:

Moseley

Lamptey Stevens Foster Gatting

Case Bissouma Alzate

Lallana Ryan

Robinson

 

[Wardy's twin]

Is that the same Jimmy Case that won the league 4 times and the European Cup 3 times amongst other honours

Yeah,he wasn't bad was he

Must be one of Brighton's most decorated players of all time I'd imagine?

Great player!

Remember seeing him get the ball around centre circle, turn and ping the ball up the right wing for Steve Penney to run onto, time after time three passes from defence to attacking in opposition last 3rd. A great player who made the time and space for himself partly because of his intimidating style.

 

[schmunk]

The play was also surprisingly fast because it was direct i.e. it went from box to box very quickly. .

Yes, but there is a difference between humping it up the field and running/passing it up the field, and that's why all the best teams* now play in the latter way.








* and the Albion...

 

[wigman]

One of my favourite Albion games was v Tottenham at White Hart Lane in October 1981. Hoddle, Ardiiles etc and Chris Hughton for them. From what i remember Spurs needed a win to go top of First Division for the first time in ages. They were all over us and Hoddle was simply superb but Fozzie was magnificent that day! Repelled everything. So commanding. It felt like Hoddle v Foster all evening. And then we nicked the win with goal by Michael Robinson. It was pretty scary leaving the stadium! Brilliant stuff!

It was a brilliant away day.

 

[zefarelly]

Is that the same Jimmy Case that won the league 4 times and the European Cup 3 times amongst other honours

Yeah,he wasn't bad was he

Must be one of Brighton's most decorated players of all time I'd imagine?

Great player!

My favourite BHA player


free kick in the semi final is the best single thing I've ever seen an Albion player do.

Singing 'Jimmys gonna get ya', and knowing it would have an effect

 

[Don Tmatter]

Assuming the 1983 team would be allowed to train and eat properly -

MOSELEY v Ryan Taller
Ramsey v LAMPTEY Both fast but Lamptey is something special.
FOSTER v Dunk Fozzie was a leader and had that nasty streak that was necessary in those days. Weighed in with a few goals too.
STEVENS v Webster No contest
GATTING v Burn Gatting was a better footballer and when he played left back he looked as if he knew what he was doing. Also a regular goalscorer.
Pearce v MARCH Pearce was underrated and Solly is infuriating but I just about give it to Hailsham's finest
Grealish v BISSOUMA Biss is naturally talented player, Tony G was a clever trier.
Howlett v ALZATE Alzate could be one of our best ever - if Potter gets round to playing him, that is.
CASE v Gross Case had the experience, the shot and the devil. No Cruyff turn, but ...
ROBINSON v Maupay One could score goals and run all day. The other is Maupay.
Smith v LALLANA Smudger was a subtle player with goals in his game, but Lallana is more of a leader.
SMILLIE v Ali J Both hard-working wingers but Smillie was more effective
RYAN v Connolly Gerry could perform wide and down the centre and knew where the goal was.

We haven't seen enough of Welbeck to know, and there aren't really direct equivalents for Veltman and White. If it's White v Stevens, Gary S still gets the nod on what we've seen so far.

If I had to pick a 'best of' team, it would be:

Moseley

Lamptey Stevens Foster Gatting

Case Bissouma Alzate

Lallana Ryan

Robinson

We’d be top 10 and not looking down with that team

 

[Sirnormangall]

My favourite BHA player


free kick in the semi final is the best single thing I've ever seen an Albion player do.

Singing 'Jimmys gonna get ya', and knowing it would have an effect

I’d love to see him up against Mr Tumble.

 

[zefarelly]

I’d love to see him up against Mr Tumble.

Grealish would be good too. Maybe He'd put proper pads and socks on.

Or 4x2" on all sides

 

[giveusfalmerplease]

GATTING v Burn Gatting was a better footballer and when he played left back he looked as if he knew what he was doing. Also a regular goalscorer.

Gatting was a better CRICKETER than Burn is a footballer. Anyone remember that? He stopped playing soon after leaving us and went on to play cricket for Sussex!