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[Grombleton]

Conflating the 2 issues is absurd, I am all for protecting the poor but the poor in this country are not starving, statistically they are fatter than the rich. FACT.

Genuine question - have you got figures to back up that people from low-income families suffer from obesity more than those with higher incomes? Not trying to bait or troll, genuinely interested.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Well, let’s be clear on some of these points.

There is no such thing as free school meals.........they are not free it is paid for by taxpayers.
Poor kids with parents on benefits before Covid lockdown are receiving more in benefits now than before Covid so nothing has changed for them, providing school meals throughout holidays never happened before.
Poor kids with parents on furlough is a different matter, and this constituency have a better claim, however there is no EVIDENCE that these are the kids who are malnourished.

So, where is the fire?

Saint Marcus and his zealots are tilting at windmills, your points about Jamie Oliver are a case in point, his campaign was in response to rising obesity, not starvation.

Conflating the 2 issues is absurd, I am all for protecting the poor but the poor in this country are not starving, statistically they are fatter than the rich. FACT.

You seem to be clear there is a problem (obesity), so what's the solution? If the kids are obese, as you are saying, the state should provide a healthy, balanced, meal to provide the nutrients to help them lose weight. If they are starving they should provide a meal for obvious reasons.The long term benefits of a society having healthy children far outweigh the small short-term cost.

Alongside this there should public health campaigns to encourage healthy eating etc but until they, and whatever other policies, have an impact, just give the kids a healthy a meal they wouldn't otherwise wouldn't have.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Hmm if you have read the prognosis behind the well publicised increase (to approx 700 cases a year) I am pretty sure there is a view that a contributing factor in the increase is our weather.

So we can agree that a condition caused by poor diet that you found so absurd to include it in a joke is actually a problem on the rise in the UK, yet still nothing should be done? What other indicators should we wait for before action is taken?

 

[cunning fergus]

Genuine question - have you got figures to back up that people from low-income families suffer from obesity more than those with higher incomes? Not trying to bait or troll, genuinely interested.

Yep, as per previous post with link to HM Govt stats that confirm children in deprived areas are 4 times likely to be obese than peers in non deprived areas.

This is not new though, society is going through quite perverse social change, for years the fat used to be the rich, now they are poor.

Poor dietary habits and lack of exercise are affecting the poor in a profound way, if it was the rich and influential that had dietary habits and lack of mobility that was driving costs to the public purse they would not say anything about it.

 

[cunning fergus]

So we can agree that a condition caused by poor diet that you found so absurd to include it in a joke is actually a problem on the rise in the UK, yet still nothing should be done? What other indicators should we wait for before action is taken?

So you are advocating we stop darker skinned people migrating to the U.K. to reduce the rise in rickets?

Even Farage didn’t roll those dice..........interesting times.

 

[LlcoolJ]

So we can agree that a condition caused by poor diet that you found so absurd to include it in a joke is actually a problem on the rise in the UK, yet still nothing should be done? What other indicators should we wait for before action is taken?

Don't try to debate with a racist halfwit. He may use flowery language and quotes, but underneath the veneer he's just a horrible bigot who is wrong about almost everything.

Plus once he gets actual debate and is put in his place, be runs away like a small child for a while. Probably hoping that everyone's forgotten his previous embarrassments. Then pops up a few months later on any thread where there's a racist angle to be had.

How very sad.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

So you are advocating we stop darker skinned people migrating to the U.K. to reduce the rise in rickets?

Even Farage didn’t roll those dice..........interesting times.

 

[sydney]

All the while the great unwashed or anyone else for that matter is choosing to avoid fruit and veg then I would suggest they are NOT hungry, and definitely not starving.

When China was devastated by Mao’s Great Leap Forward, in some villages people swapped children so that they didn’t have to kill and eat their own child.

When you are genuinely starving you would do anything, including eat fruit and veg.

the great unwashed would not know what to do with a potato or a cauliflower to turn into a meal......i like children but i couldn't eat a whole one .

 

[Grombleton]

Yep, as per previous post with link to HM Govt stats that confirm children in deprived areas are 4 times likely to be obese than peers in non deprived areas.

This is not new though, society is going through quite perverse social change, for years the fat used to be the rich, now they are poor.

Poor dietary habits and lack of exercise are affecting the poor in a profound way, if it was the rich and influential that had dietary habits and lack of mobility that was driving costs to the public purse they would not say anything about it.

Is it purely that though, or can it not also be attributed to a change in society? We are all less active now, with meetings being able to be done virtually so less travel/walking to locations. Children have far more access to technology, therefore spend less time outside than even they did when I was young (and i was born in the 80s) as they don't need to actually be outside as much.

 

[cunning fergus]

Don't try to debate with a racist halfwit. He may use flowery language and quotes, but underneath the veneer he's just a horrible bigot who is wrong about almost everything.

Plus once he gets actual debate and is put in his place, be runs away like a small child for a while. Probably hoping that everyone's forgotten his previous embarrassments. Then pops up a few months later on any thread where there's a racist angle to be had.

How very sad.

Hmm in the circumstances that seems poor advice.

If, as you say, I am so easy to upset you should be advocating more robust debate to draw out the inner child.

Not taking the censorious approach.........or running off like a small child.

How very sad.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Hmm in the circumstances that seems poor advice.

If, as you say, I am so easy to upset you should be advocating more robust debate to draw out the inner child.

Not taking the censorious approach.........or running off like a small child.

How very sad.

You aren't worth the effort. You lose every debate, disappear and then reappear months later. But only on threads where there's a race angle.

It's so obvious and so pathetic. You're a busted flush.

 

[cunning fergus]

Is it purely that though, or can it not also be attributed to a change in society? We are all less active now, with meetings being able to be done virtually so less travel/walking to locations. Children have far more access to technology, therefore spend less time outside than even they did when I was young (and i was born in the 80s) as they don't need to actually be outside as much.

We are talking about poor children needing food paid for by taxpayers (over and above their benefits) to prevent their hunger.

Therefore I am assuming if they were so poor then they would be exercising more as their parents would not have a car.

These poor starving children would not be staying in to use their iPads, watch their sky and play their gaming systems, they would be out, not to play, but helping their poor parents make money.

These children would not be obese would they?

 

[cunning fergus]

You aren't worth the effort. You lose every debate, disappear and then reappear months later. But only on threads where there's a race angle.

It's so obvious and so pathetic. You're a busted flush.

There’s a bit of truth there, it’s why you have posted 300% more than me.

The delights of the box room, the roar of the virtual crowd..........and a quick bout of Bang Bros.

And we’re done.

 

[Grombleton]

We are talking about poor children needing food paid for by taxpayers (over and above their benefits) to prevent their hunger.

Therefore I am assuming if they were so poor then they would be exercising more as their parents would not have a car.

These poor starving children would not be staying in to use their iPads, watch their sky and play their gaming systems, they would be out, not to play, but helping their poor parents make money.

These children would not be obese would they?

There's a few holes there: Because they don't have a car, it doesn't mean they necessarily have to exercise more - they may not live in a place where they can exercise or have no need to go long distances.

What if they are not of an age that they can help their parents make money? They may not have any or all of the luxuries you've assumed? If so, should that be held against them that they are allowed to have something like an entertainment device? What if they can only afford low-priced food that won't be particularly nutritious and won't bring them any particular health benefits?

My point is that it is rarely black and white and that there are a great number of factors that come into play.

 

[LlcoolJ]

There’s a bit of truth there, it’s why you have posted 300% more than me.

The delights of the box room, the roar of the virtual crowd..........and a quick bout of Bang Bros.

And we’re done.

Again, whatever you do in your own strange little virtual racist world is entirely up to you. Just don't try to act the big man when there are adults about. It's unseemly.

Strange obsession with porn as well. I like it as much as the next man but I don't keep going on about it. You're very odd, not it a good way.

 

[cunning fergus]

There's a few holes there: Because they don't have a car, it doesn't mean they necessarily have to exercise more - they may not live in a place where they can exercise or have no need to go long distances.

What if they are not of an age that they can help their parents make money? They may not have any or all of the luxuries you've assumed? If so, should that be held against them that they are allowed to have something like an entertainment device? What if they can only afford low-priced food that won't be particularly nutritious and won't bring them any particular health benefits?

My point is that it is rarely black and white and that there are a great number of factors that come into play.

We seem to be back to near the start, you are talking about the poor only being able to afford low priced food that’s not nutritious, I am talking about hunger?

The point you are making is a reason the poor are fat, and why poor children in deprived areas are 4 times more likely to be obese than their peers in less deprived areas.

Some cheap food may not be nutritious, but vegetables and fruit is nutritious and can be bought dirt cheap. Nutritious or not the food is there, the poor loves will only go hungry when there is no food at all and when they are boiling their shoes.

I completely understand there are nuances to this debate, however that does not shift the overwhelming statistical evidence that we do not have starving children in this country. We have neglected children that won’t be fed properly and that means too much and the wrong stuff.

I bet you a £100 to a charity of your choice that more elderly people have starved to death in this country in the last 2 years than children.

No campaign for them yet from Saint Marcus.

 

[Randy McNob]

All the while the great unwashed or anyone else for that matter is choosing to avoid fruit and veg then I would suggest they are NOT hungry, and definitely not starving.

When China was devastated by Mao’s Great Leap Forward, in some villages people swapped children so that they didn’t have to kill and eat their own child.

When you are genuinely starving you would do anything, including eat fruit and veg.

race to the bottom

 

[Grombleton]

I bet you a £100 to a charity of your choice that more elderly people have starved to death in this country in the last 2 years than children.
.

Yeah, that's definitely tipped into 'weird' territory now.

 

[cunning fergus]

Yeah, that's definitely tipped into 'weird' territory now.

It may be weird because you have lost the ability to challenge orthodoxies when they are being conveyed through the beguiling aura of fame. This country irrefutably has a food problem, and it definitely affects the young and poor; but it’s nothing to do with a lack of food, quite the opposite.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ile/546588/Childhood_obesity_2016__2__acc.pdf

The elderly on the other hand, do have a lack of food problem, but they are probably racists who voted for Brexit so let the b@stards starve, no footballers or racing drivers fighting their corner.

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/lambeth/ab...spitals-and-care-homes-amid-fears-of-neglect/

Something like that.

 

[Grombleton]

It may be weird because you have lost the ability to challenge orthodoxies when they are being conveyed through the beguiling aura of fame.

It was more about the whole 'betting which demographic starves to death more' that made it weird...