[Politics] Maria Caulfield, Lewes MP

[afters]

That was reduced from a 5K majority previously. She benefited originally from getting rid of Norman Baker.

benefitted i believe from the refusal of the Greens to stand down?

 

[Monkey Man]

benefitted i believe from the refusal of the Greens to stand down?

Definitely true in the 2019 election. We had our chance to unseat her, but we blew it!

To be fair to the Greens, their view was: we stood aside in the election before that, and the Lib Dems couldn't take advantage.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

benefitted i believe from the refusal of the Greens to stand down?

The remaining Green Vote going Lib Dem alone would not have toppled her, as it was only about 1.4K, but that and some Labour voters could have, or some of the 16,652 people who didn't vote.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

That was reduced from a 5K majority previously. She benefited originally from getting rid of Norman Baker.

By 1,000 votes when Labour and Green polled over 7,000 votes. What a rotten system we have.

 

[Gwylan]

By 1,000 votes when Labour and Green polled over 7,000 votes. What a rotten system we have.

Which is why I mentioned earlier that Starmer may be more inclined to look at an agreement with the LDs (and the Greens). A promise of guaranteed support for PR in return for LD/Greens standing down in certain seats may well be viable.

 

[beorhthelm]

Which is why I mentioned earlier that Starmer may be more inclined to look at an agreement with the LDs (and the Greens). A promise of guaranteed support for PR in return for LD/Greens standing down in certain seats may well be viable.

and reciprocal arrangment not having Labour candidates elsewhere? unlikely, and this is why such arrangements never take off.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Which is why I mentioned earlier that Starmer may be more inclined to look at an agreement with the LDs (and the Greens). A promise of guaranteed support for PR in return for LD/Greens standing down in certain seats may well be viable.

I hope not. With PR, Farrage will finally be able to take a seat in Parliament (for whatever party he decides to invent a week after the next GE is announced). I'm sure Tommy Robinson and Jayda Fransen will also find some way of squeezing themselves in, too.

I hope Starmer has the good sense to see that just like Mr Tony's bargain of devolution, Camaron's deal with the liberals and, going back in time, the Lib Lab Pact, any offer of a leg up to another party, especially the floodgate opening manouvre of PR, are devices for maintaining undeserved power that ultimately damages the guilty party and all associated with it. If you can't win properly in the UK with FPPT, the nation is telling you something.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I hope not. With PR, Farrage will finally be able to take a seat in Parliament (for whatever party he decides to invent a week after the next GE is announced). I'm sure Tommy Robinson and Jayda Fransen will also find some way of squeezing themselves in, too.

Perhaps they and their supporters should have a voice in Parliament.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Which is why I mentioned earlier that Starmer may be more inclined to look at an agreement with the LDs (and the Greens). A promise of guaranteed support for PR in return for LD/Greens standing down in certain seats may well be viable.

I agree. And now Labour have got rid of their lunatics, he’d have a good chance.


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[Lower West Stander]

BBC News - Nadine Dorries told to check 'validity' of social media posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52653609

I cannot stand Nadine Dorries.

She’s an expenses fiddler. Tried to get off on criticising Cameron and Osborne on a reality show and posts nasty right wing diatribes on twitter.

Absolute worst kind of politician and a caricature of the hypocrisy they represent.


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[Monkey Man]

I cannot stand Nadine Dorries.

She’s an expenses fiddler. Tried to get off on criticising Cameron and Osborne on a reality show and posts nasty right wing diatribes on twitter.

Absolute worst kind of politician and a caricature of the hypocrisy they represent.


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Saw Reginald D Hunter at the Dome a few years back. He told a story about Dorries that I can't remember in full but it was something along the lines of meeting him, asking him to pose for a picture with her daughter, and then posting that picture on social media with some unsavoury comments that reflected badly on his intentions, and her prejudices. He didn't exactly play the incident for laughs ... just seemed bemused at what the hell she thought she was doing.

 

[AlastairWatts]

Wasn't Norman Baker the MP who tried to so hard to prevent the Amex getting planning permission way back?

 

[Frutos]

Wasn't Norman Baker the MP who tried to so hard to prevent the Amex getting planning permission way back?

Yes.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Perhaps they and their supporters should have a voice in Parliament.

What? As in "Would you like fries with that?" in the canteen?.

(as if they have a canteen in parliament ).

Calling [MENTION=34942]Dr. No[/MENTION]

 

[Monkey Man]

Seems she's back on Twitter:


@_MariaCaulfield

 

[Mike Small]

Disgraceful.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What? As in "Would you like fries with that?" in the canteen?.

(as if they have a canteen in parliament ).

Calling [MENTION=34942]Dr. No[/MENTION]

They do have a canteen. A lady who worked there for years was suddenly caught up in the Windrush scandal when Theresa May was Home Office minister. She couldn’t provide two pieces of documentation for every decade she had been here since the late fifties when she arrived as a child.
Not only did she lose her job, but was also put into detention for a few months. She finally managed to prove she was here legally.

 

[Gwylan]

and reciprocal arrangment not having Labour candidates elsewhere? unlikely, and this is why such arrangements never take off.

There may be one or two but that's not really the point. What LDs and Greens need is for PR; they're going to be doomed to a handful of seats until the end of time if we don't ditch FPTP. I'm sure they'd be quite happy to drop out of some seats that they're not going to win for a genuine chance of PR.

I have no idea how many Tory seats there are where the majority is below the LD vote but I bet there are a good many.

Swinson and Corbyn hated each other and were never going to reach an agreement but Starmer is not so dogmatic.

As for HWT's concern that Farage will get a seat in parliament ... maybe he will and maybe he should. I can't see the likes of Robinson getting anywhere near though, it's easy to have 5% cut-off point as the Germans do. And while I agree that a good part of the electorate are right-wing nutters, I can't see the Farage Party/Britain First/English Democrats/UKIP/EDL all getting 5%

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There may be one or two but that's not really the point. What LDs and Greens need is for PR; they're going to be doomed to a handful of seats until the end of time if we don't ditch FPTP. I'm sure they'd be quite happy to drop out of some seats that they're not going to win for a genuine chance of PR.

I have no idea how many Tory seats there are where the majority is below the LD vote but I bet there are a good many.

Swinson and Corbyn hated each other and were never going to reach an agreement but Starmer is not so dogmatic.

As for HWT's concern that Farage will get a seat in parliament ... maybe he will and maybe he should. I can't see the likes of Robinson getting anywhere near though, it's easy to have 5% cut-off point as the Germans do. And while I agree that a good part of the electorate are right-wing nutters, I can't see the Farage Party/Britain First/English Democrats/UKIP/EDL all getting 5%

If I remember rightly, last December, Yaxley-Lennon lost his deposit.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They do have a canteen. A lady who worked there for years was suddenly caught up in the Windrush scandal when Theresa May was Home Office minister. She couldn’t provide two pieces of documentation for every decade she had been here since the late fifties when she arrived as a child.
Not only did she lose her job, but was also put into detention for a few months. She finally managed to prove she was here legally.

The tories really can ride roughshod over human beings from time to time, in the most negligent and high handed manner.

I'm wondering if there might be . . . a pattern, here....