[Politics] Keir Starmer

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So if I said something like 'Hughton still not got a job!!' JRG can read it but can't comment!!!! There is a god!

For extra salt, you can add an O.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The Government have said they have enough ventilators at the moment, with more coming.

They might well be lying, but I have not read that a patient has not been placed on a ventilator because the hospital had run out.

Other EU countries have had far higher death rates than the UK. Did they not get enough ventilators for the EU? My last point is not a dig at the EU, just a question.

Other countries have handled the virus differently. Sweden has only just closed its schools. This.is because their experts think that children are at a very low risk and do not really transmit the disease. This just highlights that there are lots of different opinions and unfortunately there is not a hand book that governments can pick up and follow to to end the virus.

I guess we will only find out which countries handled the situation the best once it is all over.

Old people are being told they are not going to hospitals, and relatives signing Do not Resuscitate forms for them to keep ventilators for the younger people. I started a thread on it in the sub forum. It has happened in my family.
13 people in one care home in Glasgow because the old are being left to die, basically. That is on the BBC website.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

There's always one looking to blame and point the finger, we are in a world crisis, but you know better than all the scientist and people in the know.

Come on give it up, and support people all trying to do the best.

Should have known YOU would be that one.

Hang your head.

There speaks a man who seems to think he really does know better than the people running the country, it’s laughable.

Must be very warming to be so convinced that you are always right, makes it easy to be so dismissive of others mistakes. Of course if Starmer had been PM none of these mistakes would have been made

Most of us accept that mistakes have been made and will continue to be made as we MUDDLE through something that is still not really understood fully. I’d rather support than knock in this catastrophe that is not of our or the country’s making

I'm with Hans Kraay Fan Club here!!!!!

Apart from anything else, not all the scientists agree. But when the time did come for the PM to pull up the drawbridge, he was reluctant and therefore not convincing in doing it. His hero Churchill would have had the people eating out of his hand and doing what he wanted.

His overly libertarian attitudes make him less than convincing. His father a couple of days before lockdown had said something along the lines of "I'm bu66ered if something like this is going to stop me going to the pub." That doesn't help, and he should probably have clobbered (metaphorically) his father for being entirely irresponsible.

And in terms of ventilators and their supply, failing to participate in the EU collective stuff just, so it seems, to prove we can do it by ourselves has probably or will cost us lives. The number of (well-founded) stories there have been of people being lined up for ventilator contracts and then these not being followed up so that contracts could be given to people like Dyson, who had no experience or track record of such equipment surely has to make you think.

It is very easy to come to the conclusion that these things, which have seriously affected the quality of our response and arguably have or will cost lives, were as the result of decisions to:
1. Misguidedly show that the British can go it alone..... and
2. Reward Brexit cronies with the contracts.

That is why people may not agree with the idea that people are "doing their best" but are concerned that some decisions have been made - even in the current horrible situation - for political reasons rather than for the common good.

To be fair, I think the efforts being made now to inform/involve Keri Starmer and others are encouraging, but as Boris is now in hospital..........

 

[Machiavelli]

I watched his acceptance speech on YouTube and mistakenly started to read some of the comments. Apparently according to the amoeba brained posting on there they will sticking to voting for the tories because they don’t want to vote for someone from the elite and they don’t want to vote for someone posh. If only their little brain knew how to use google they could find out that he grew up in a council house and his mum was a nurse and dad a tool maker. But no they, will vote for someone who went to Eton instead. Ducking sh1t from brains. Couldn’t make it up.

Cracking post. I was going to describe it as comedic but, unfortunately, it's merely sad.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

There's always one looking to blame and point the finger, we are in a world crisis, but you know better than all the scientist and people in the know.

Come on give it up, and support people all trying to do the best.

Should have known YOU would be that one.

Hang your head.

I watched his acceptance speech on YouTube and mistakenly started to read some of the comments. Apparently according to the amoeba brained posting on there they will sticking to voting for the tories because they don’t want to vote for someone from the elite and they don’t want to vote for someone posh. If only their little brain knew how to use google they could find out that he grew up in a council house and his mum was a nurse and dad a tool maker. But no they, will vote for someone who went to Eton instead. Ducking sh1t from brains. Couldn’t make it up.

This with knobs on!!

He's been there , done that and got the t-shirt - in fact got several different t-shirts. And all from very humble beginnings.

 

[Titanic]

https://resistfest.co.uk/chris-williamson-labour-party-election-result-the-fight-must-go-on/



"The fight for 21st century socialism must continue, even if the Labour Party has surrendered.
Following the result of The Labour Party leadership contest there is a clear direction of travel for Labour, a resetting of centrist policy’s and agendas.
Chris Williamson offers a new political home for Socialist and the disenfranchised LEFT."

Good news for Starmer.

 

[Hugo Rune]

This with knobs on!!

He's been there , done that and got the t-shirt - in fact got several different t-shirts. And all from very humble beginnings.

The best that the gammon have come with is that he is dull & boring and was responsible for Jimmy Saville’s crimes.

If that’s all they’ve got then they are very scared.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I'm with Hans Kraay Fan Club here!!!!!

Apart from anything else, not all the scientists agree. But when the time did come for the PM to pull up the drawbridge, he was reluctant and therefore not convincing in doing it. His hero Churchill would have had the people eating out of his hand and doing what he wanted.

His overly libertarian attitudes make him less than convincing. His father a couple of days before lockdown had said something along the lines of "I'm bu66ered if something like this is going to stop me going to the pub." That doesn't help, and he should probably have clobbered (metaphorically) his father for being entirely irresponsible.

And in terms of ventilators and their supply, failing to participate in the EU collective stuff just, so it seems, to prove we can do it by ourselves has probably or will cost us lives. The number of (well-founded) stories there have been of people being lined up for ventilator contracts and then these not being followed up so that contracts could be given to people like Dyson, who had no experience or track record of such equipment surely has to make you think.

It is very easy to come to the conclusion that these things, which have seriously affected the quality of our response and arguably have or will cost lives, were as the result of decisions to:
1. Misguidedly show that the British can go it alone..... and
2. Reward Brexit cronies with the contracts.

That is why people may not agree with the idea that people are "doing their best" but are concerned that some decisions have been made - even in the current horrible situation - for political reasons rather than for the common good.

To be fair, I think the efforts being made now to inform/involve Keri Starmer and others are encouraging, but as Boris is now in hospital..........

Thanks for saving me the effort. I’d read the predictable responses from the little circle-jerk of forelock-tugging Tory sycophants and couldn’t raise the motivation to waste my time explaining clearly, why my criticism of the government response is objective.

It is very, very simple:

- ‘We’ CHOSE to pass up, available supply of ventilators, either through stubborn dogma, or massive incompetence. Then lied about it. As for the pathetic response from one of our FTTS, laughably trying to pretend there IS no shortage - wtf? The elderly and disabled are being made to sign DNR disclaimers, because there isn’t the capacity to even try to save them. The government these morons are unthinkingly supporting have made very clear that there is a desperate shortage.

The ventilator fiasco is just one example.

 

[Hugo Rune]

https://resistfest.co.uk/chris-williamson-labour-party-election-result-the-fight-must-go-on/



Good news for Starmer.

And good news for the Country!

 

[BLOCK F]

Sadly, but almost inevitably on NSC, this thread along with much of the discussion on Covid19 has, to quite a large extent, descended into political partisanship.
What a pity, a lot of valid points are being lost in the heat of unnecessary battle.
Anyway, let us hope everybody in our disfunctional NSC family stays safe and retains their sanity in these times.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Sadly, but almost inevitably on NSC, this thread along with much of the discussion on Covid19 has, to quite a large extent, descended into political partisanship.
What a pity, a lot of valid points are being lost in the heat of unnecessary battle.
Anyway, let us hope everybody in our disfunctional NSC family stays safe and retains their sanity in these times.

That may be true of you, sir, but certainly not of me.

I’ve called out the mistakes, not the personalities.

FWIW I think the response to business and workers, has been excellent - (unavoidably) rushed, and thus open to abuse, but really GOOD decisions, made for the right reasons.

I also think the decisions on social distancing / lockdown have been largely good - and proportionate. I think some - most especially the school closures - were made far too slowly, but that is a separate argument altogether.

 

[Grombleton]

Sadly, but almost inevitably on NSC, this thread along with much of the discussion on Covid19 has, to quite a large extent, descended into political partisanship.
What a pity, a lot of valid points are being lost in the heat of unnecessary battle.
Anyway, let us hope everybody in our disfunctional NSC family stays safe and retains their sanity in these times.

I think for the most part there's been some alright discussion - just sadly the usual trolls have infested and added nothing which dilues anyone else trying to make their point.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You could just block him, like I have. Judging by the replies he gets, he's still blowing wet air, and nobody agrees with him. That's all I need to know. Still, I get some amusement from reading responses such as yours. It confirms my belief in (some of) humanity.

Life's so perfect in your Bubble H
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I think for the most part there's been some alright discussion - just sadly the usual trolls have infested and added nothing which dilues anyone else trying to make their point.

What you're basically saying is you don"t like reading opinions you dont agree with ,don't worry there's a few like you floating about on here some who resort to throwing a bit of abuse into the mix , well done
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Simster the dimster are you one of these who are on social media point scoring because you THINK you know better?

If so I would stop it NOW, as everyone will label you as being a sad c*** , and it will stick, feck your political views and look at the action and what has been achieved by so many in such a short time.



You and your mates pick holes only in the government if you want to find scapegoats that are killing people, then look at the twats who go for a picnics, have parties, run around in a crowded park and so on.

I saw a bus full of private double-decker bus full of young people get off one by one to go shopping at Tescos today, it just needed one to have Covid19 on that bus.

Was that the government fault?

There will be a ton of people that you and the media and others can call out just for your political agenda when this quietens down but in the meantime show some solidarity and grow up.

Your hate for a tory is just the sort of dumb f*ckery that is inexcusable in this worldwide situation.

He STILL hasn"t moved on, so bitter to the core which surfaces in a lot of his posts directed at people he disagrees with, bottles up a lot of his frustration then blurts it all out in a fit of rage
Regards
DF

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think for the most part there's been some alright discussion - just sadly the usual trolls have infested and added nothing which dilues anyone else trying to make their point.

See the three posts beneath yours.

I find the quality of many a thread is immensely improved by the ignore function.

 

[JBizzle]

That may be true of you, sir, but certainly not of me.

I’ve called out the mistakes, not the personalities.

FWIW I think the response to business and workers, has been excellent - (unavoidably) rushed, and thus open to abuse, but really GOOD decisions, made for the right reasons.

I also think the decisions on social distancing / lockdown have been largely good - and proportionate. I think some - most especially the school closures - were made far too slowly, but that is a separate argument altogether.

I would agree also, but I would also argue that a lot of the issues we face as a result of COVID-19 are exacerbated by the existing Government and not helped. Examples being:

* The media machine spent 3 years discrediting experts, calling sections of the media biased (both parties did this) and making people choose belief over facts. Now they expect people to believe the experts again. It's not a surprise that they don't listen to them.

* Allowing the NHS to be £13bn in debt to the Government that funds it. This isn't £13bn debt, it's £13bn underfunded. It's great that it's been cleared, but it should never have been there.

I'd say those things whomever the lead party were in these circumstances. I'll also add that I hope the PM makes a swift recovery, politics are irrelevant on that.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm with Hans Kraay Fan Club here!!!!!

Apart from anything else, not all the scientists agree. But when the time did come for the PM to pull up the drawbridge, he was reluctant and therefore not convincing in doing it. His hero Churchill would have had the people eating out of his hand and doing what he wanted.

His overly libertarian attitudes make him less than convincing. His father a couple of days before lockdown had said something along the lines of "I'm bu66ered if something like this is going to stop me going to the pub." That doesn't help, and he should probably have clobbered (metaphorically) his father for being entirely irresponsible.

And in terms of ventilators and their supply, failing to participate in the EU collective stuff just, so it seems, to prove we can do it by ourselves has probably or will cost us lives. The number of (well-founded) stories there have been of people being lined up for ventilator contracts and then these not being followed up so that contracts could be given to people like Dyson, who had no experience or track record of such equipment surely has to make you think.

It is very easy to come to the conclusion that these things, which have seriously affected the quality of our response and arguably have or will cost lives, were as the result of decisions to:
1. Misguidedly show that the British can go it alone..... and
2. Reward Brexit cronies with the contracts.

That is why people may not agree with the idea that people are "doing their best" but are concerned that some decisions have been made - even in the current horrible situation - for political reasons rather than for the common good.

To be fair, I think the efforts being made now to inform/involve Keir Starmer and others are encouraging, but as Boris is now in hospital..........

Indeed. The tories could have done a lot worse over COVID-19, but 'politically' there was absolutely no need to do anything other than the right thing since labour were in election 'lock down'. Thus the political bits they did do (your points that I have highlighted, using Covid to demonstrate their Brexit prowess, plus a bit of cronyism) now look really craven and weak; back to John Major days. This surprises me. I wouldn't have thought that Cummings is so stupid.

Anyway, as you note, Starmer is now being involved. The cynic in me, nevertheless, feels this may be a bit of insurance in case it all goes tits up; 'It was a national unity shortcoming and Starmer's labour stood with us, foresquare, and shares the blame'. But if we come of of the crisis smoothly then Boris will appear before the media to take full personal credit in his usual winsome comic fashion.

So for me the best description of Boris' government at the moment remains a choice between incompetent and venal. As with so many things it is probably a mix of both.

 

[Titanic]

More good news for Starmer...

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[Garry Nelson's teacher]

In the words of Piers Morgan (and there's a phrase I thought I'd never use), Starmer is a 'grown-up politician'. I'm not actually sure what it means but it seems to hit the nail on the head.