[Politics] Brexit

[Grombleton]

No one won it was all about enacting a Democratic decision, Demorcracey is the winner no hard feelings eh
Regards
DF

I'm not even sure you're capable of feelings.

If it was just about that, then why so sanctimonious*?




*Do tell me if you need that explaining

 

[Grombleton]

Suppressing peoples views doesn't work, you clearly haven't learnt anything
Regards
DF

That's what your heroes used to do isn't it? What about Arbeit Macht Frei, surely you follow that too?

 

[Eeyore]

Suppressing peoples views doesn't work, you clearly haven't learnt anything
Regards
DF

I dunno. I'm pretty sure NSC does a good job of clearing out prejudiced view points. Doesn't always work though.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I'm not even sure you're capable of feelings.

If it was just about that, then why so sanctimonious*?

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*Do tell me if you need that explaining

I've been rounded upon by the groovy gang on here taken it on the chin and given it back
I'll be more than happy to see this thread locked on the 31st Jan 2020
Regards
DF

 

[pastafarian]

Christ it's almost embarassing the level of arrogance.

This has gone beyond the concept of the vote - this has become tribal due to the leave campaign claiming that their vote (which I accept before you try that one) was succesful was the 'will of the people'. The face that the leave campaign cant see how their rhetoric may actually have been the cause of a large portion of the divide in politics sums up their blinkered, 'i'm alright Jack' mentality. I mean, **** everyone else cos I won, right?

If you want to talk about failings, then look closer to home. If you can prove that you (whether that be personally, or as a collective movement) have tried to reach out and prove that the "will of the people" is actually a good thing then you literally have no leg to stand on. And yes, I appreciate that it requires taking responsibility, but I guess that's your failing, not mine.

If you need proof that accepting a referendum decision is the correct and good thing to do and conversely therefore proof that ignoring a referendum decision is the incorrect and wrong thing to do, then you need more help than I thought.
It really is not arrogance to have knowledge of what is right and wrong in that scenario. It is basic common sense.

 

[Grombleton]

If you need proof that accepting a referendum decision is the correct and good thing to do and conversely therefore proof that ignoring a referendum decision is the incorrect and wrong thing to do, then you need more help than I thought.
It really is not arrogance to have knowledge of what is right and wrong in that scenario. It is basic common sense.

How can it be common sense, when it is entirely subjective? Why assume that your view is 'common sense'?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

How can it be common sense, when it is entirely subjective? Why assume that your view is 'common sense'?

You'd be better of just getting on with your life we're out of the EU ,pointless moaning isn't going to help you
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

How can it be common sense, when it is entirely subjective? Why assume that your view is 'common sense'?

Look at the Election result map that might give you a clue
Regards
DF

 

[Grombleton]

You'd be better of just getting on with your life we're out of the EU ,pointless moaning isn't going to help you
Regards
DF

The day I take advice from you, Satan will be ice-skating to work.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The day I take advice from you, Satan will be ice-skating to work.

I 'm not giving you any advice just stating a fact
Regards
DF

 

[spence]

How can it be common sense, when it is entirely subjective? Why assume that your view is 'common sense'?

One day your grandchildren will thank people like me for taking us out of the EU. The benefits will unravel ALL IN GOOD TIME.

For now get behind Boris and throw your weight behind a HARD BREXIT. Over 3 frustrating years it has taken us to get where we are today. Let 31st Jan be a day we can ALL unite and raise a glass.

Wishing you good health

 

[Grombleton]

I 'm not giving you any advice just stating a fact
Regards
DF

You'd be better of just getting on with your life

 

[pastafarian]

How can it be common sense, when it is entirely subjective? Why assume that your view is 'common sense'?

Respecting the outcome decision given by a vote seems like common sense to me in a democracy. I would accept the decision given in a vote even if i hadnt voted for that outcome and found myself on the losing side.
I know some people are struggling with this concept, but if we constantly ignored the winning votes it would rather make the whole process irrelevant.

 

[spence]

Anyone else warming to our home secretary Priti Patel ? Boris certainly got the right candidate there.

 

[The Clamp]

The fervent brexiteers on here are basically a bunch of ****ing losers who actually "won" something for the first time in their pathetic lives and can't bloody believe it. It's why they're still on here a week before we leave trying to convince people they are right. Calm down. We're leaving. The morons won.

IMO, of course

 

[Grombleton]

Respecting the outcome decision given by a vote seems like common sense to me in a democracy. I would accept the decision given in a vote even if i hadnt voted for that outcome and found myself on the losing side.
I know some people are struggling with this concept, but if we constantly ignored the winning votes it would rather make the whole process irrelevant.

The concept of a democracy (the one that was still going before 2016) was that people can choose to change their minds, and in a democracy everyone's voice is valid...so why should anyone that wish to stand against it, be 'undemocratic' - stopping people from doing that (whether by physical means, or telling them online) is, infact, the undemocratic thing.

It isn't about ignoring the 'winning' vote (and here I was thinking it wasn't about winning...) but ensuring that the country could move forward in a united way. The simple fact it, regardless of one side claiming we should 'accept it and move on' is that it just. Wont. Happen. Not all the time several million people (based on the same vote people claim is 'the will of the people') think is a bad idea. THATS the crux of it. The country is divided and no amount of 'accept it and move on' is going to change that. It wouldn't happen if the situation were reversed (if you would then full respect, but you are just one person) but it would still be the same, just the other way around.

 

[Grombleton]

One day your grandchildren will thank people like me for taking us out of the EU. The benefits will unravel ALL IN GOOD TIME.

For now get behind Boris and throw your weight behind a HARD BREXIT. Over 3 frustrating years it has taken us to get where we are today. Let 31st Jan be a day we can ALL unite and raise a glass.

Wishing you good health

Considering our personal history, forgive me if I take your wishes with a pinch of salt.

 

[GT49er]

How can it be common sense, when it is entirely subjective? Why assume that your view is 'common sense'?

But it is entirely subjective to you that you think it isn't common sense.

 

[GT49er]

The concept of a democracy (the one that was still going before 2016) was that people can choose to change their minds, and in a democracy everyone's voice is valid...so why should anyone that wish to stand against it, be 'undemocratic' - stopping people from doing that (whether by physical means, or telling them online) is, infact, the undemocratic thing.

It isn't about ignoring the 'winning' vote (and here I was thinking it wasn't about winning...) but ensuring that the country could move forward in a united way. The simple fact it, regardless of one side claiming we should 'accept it and move on' is that it just. Wont. Happen. Not all the time several million people (based on the same vote people claim is 'the will of the people') think is a bad idea. THATS the crux of it. The country is divided and no amount of 'accept it and move on' is going to change that. It wouldn't happen if the situation were reversed (if you would then full respect, but you are just one person) but it would still be the same, just the other way around.

The country is divided, yes, but no more divided than it was when bl**dy Thatcher won a general election. That's politics.

 

[spence]

Considering our personal history, forgive me if I take your wishes with a pinch of salt.

I mean what i say. I have no ill feeling towards you.