[Politics] Scotland

[Pavilionaire]

I suspect that Johnson will seek to deny Scotland IndyRef2 for a number of reasons, not least because letting Scotland go makes the UK market 6 million people smaller, so less attractive for prospective trade partners.

 

[Hugo Rune]

This be the major problem, Europe has free movement yes, and if Scotland joined alone, then how do we or they enforce/stop people gaining entry to England or dare I say it people wishing to flee to Europe (Scotland)

Check points for immigration would have to be built and enforced and probably some form of wall surely.....

In the (future) words of Trump-Lite.

‘We’re going to build a wall, it’ll be huge!’

 

[Triggaaar]

What should happen?

War

 

[pastafarian]

War

Seconded

 

[Questions]

I'm sure our resident Scottish cousin [MENTION=205]Tom Hark, Preston Park[/MENTION] will have something to say on this important matter

He won’t get a vote though.

 

[Triggaaar]

Whisky

I think Scottish whisky was first made in England and then the monks (or whomever it was who made it) left to Scotland due to either religion or tax (you can tell there's not much about this I don't know).

 

[Triggaaar]

With the UK national debt heading towards £2 Trillion, let's say Scotland make up 10% of that, their independence divorce bill from us will be £200 Billion. Bring it on.

Yep. They vote Joxit, as we did Brexit, and assume the politicians will sort it out. They then find that they've got to take their per-capita share of the national debt, and can have their per-capita share of oil. Oops. Can we stay? Can ye fook, Joxit means Joxit pal.

 

[Triggaaar]

the Scots might be crazy,but they're not stupid

The problem is the lies they're constantly fed by the SNP. I know a few Scots who believe their GDP in higher than London's, and they think they're subsidising the south. It's mental.

 

[Triggaaar]

If we are to listen to 'the will of the people' over Brexit then we should do so over IndyRef2.

Er, that makes literally no sense. We have a referendum and listening to 'the will of the people' meant not having another one (as proposed by Labour). Scotland also had a referendum. To listen to 'the will of the people' would be to respect the result, not make them have another go, and repeat until they get it right.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I hope they manage to escape from England. It's the least they deserve and the irony of the Brexiteer flag-wavers precipitating the end of a country called Great Britain will be extraordinary to behold.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Reading some of the comments in this thread it is clear why many Scots want to be free of the condescending, patronising, controlling mentality exhibited by so many English people.

I don't buy the 'once in a generation' view on the frequency of independence referendums. Brexit is a gamechanger and it is clear the Scots want to remain, they back the SNP as a governing party and they've rejected English Toryism for decades with only 1 Tory MP out of 59 in Scotland. If we are to listen to 'the will of the people' over Brexit then we should do so over IndyRef2.

Scotland will be accorded respect as an independent nation in the EU that it is not accorded in the UK. 5 years ago I was pleased they voted to stay in the Union but now I hope they get their IndyRef2 and I hope this time they have the guts to vote for independence.

Agree with every word.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Er, that makes literally no sense. We have a referendum and listening to 'the will of the people' meant not having another one (as proposed by Labour). Scotland also had a referendum. To listen to 'the will of the people' would be to respect the result, not make them have another go, and repeat until they get it right.

As I said in my previous post, 62% Remain in the EU Referendum, returning SNP governments in successive elections and electing SNP in 48/59 seats in the GE coupled with another Tory trouncing north of the border clearly shows they don't like Boris or his policies and if they're electing SNP who have it written in if elected they'll seek IndyRef2 then that should be respected by the Tories.

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

some number crunching

1.2 million votes for SNP in the election (only 45 per cent of the vote)

2 million votes to keep the union in 2014 ref

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

NI now has more Nationalist MPs than Unionist and more Nationalist MLAs than Unionist - the MLAs are elected using the very equal election system that the UK has encouraged former colonies to do but won't use for Westminster. And it has a legal structure in place for a referendum already.

I would not be surprised if NI leaves before Scotland gets another go. And I'm not looking forward to the drain on my tax bill!

there might be more Nationalist MPs,but the Unionists got a larger share of the vote

so the Unionists would still come out on top in a ref

 

[pastafarian]

Agree with every word.

+ Amy knows how to spank out a cracking tune.

 

[Cian]

there might be more Nationalist MPs,but the Unionists got a larger share of the vote

so the Unionists would still come out on top in a ref

Combined they got 80-81%; that 19-20% in the middle is still in play and consists heavily of Remainers who may decide that's more important (the 'other' parties include a hard-left anti-EU party but they really don't add up to much - one MLA. They're based in Dublin but believe in a global Socialist International rather than countries!)

 

[Pavilionaire]

some number crunching

1.2 million votes for SNP in the election (only 45 per cent of the vote)

2 million votes to keep the union in 2014 ref

I think this is trumped by 62% Remain in the EU. If Holyrood calls for IndyRef2 then Boris should be a big man and give it to them. Who knows - stay in the UK might win again, and if it does Sturgeon's power base in Scotland is destabilised, opening the door for Boris to win back those 13 Tory seats he just lost and maybe a few more too.

 

[Live by the sea]

Without meaning to sound mean, I’m not convinced they have enough political intellect in Scotland to run their own country. They all sound a bit daft to me especially that Krankie woman.

 

[Norman Potting]

Deep-fried Mars Bars?

Tunnocks tea cakes and wafer bars.

 

[GT49er]

In the (future) words of Trump-Lite.

‘We’re going to build a wall, it’ll be huge!’

We already have the foundations, thanks to the Romans.