[Politics] The General Election Thread

[wellquickwoody]

Why would you gloat if the "far from perfect clown" wins?

Because of the bile and intolerance of people who are incapable of at least allowing others to have an opinion which is different from their own.

 

[nicko31]

See previous answers to the same stupid question.

Such a pillar of authority from 10,000 miles away...

 

[Bakero]

I think I agree, but most of the projections seem to be based on this election being typical when compared to previous ones which we know it isn't. The only glimmer of hope I can see is if the young come out in force such as never before and vote Labour.


But they won't.
The majority of children of staunch Tory voting parents will vote the same way. Its how it is and how it has always been.

I was wondering to what extent this was true so did a little research. One study revealed that 9/10 students said their political beliefs were not influenced by their parents. However, others have suggested that the link between political beliefs amongst family members is so strong that genetic factors may be at play.

https://www.noted.co.nz/health/health-psychology/why-people-vote-the-way-they-do

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-we-predisposed-to-political-beliefs/

 

[BLOCK F]

Because of the bile and intolerance of people who are incapable of at least allowing others to have an opinion which is different from their own.

I have to agree.
Putting aside people's differing political leanings / allegiances, the insults and anger emanating from some the so-called 'caring left' on this thread is quite extraordinary.
There have been good points made on both sides, but there is a hardcore of Corbynistas on here who just cannot tolerate any criticism of their beloved Corbyn and McDonnell.

 

[The Clamp]

Because of the bile and intolerance of people who are incapable of at least allowing others to have an opinion which is different from their own.

This recent trend of peddling lies, racism, prejudice and plain old nonsense then when being called out it, using the “it’s my opinion, respect it” defence is pathetic and depressing.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Desperate.

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[Two Professors]

It's my opinion,Respect it.

 

[CHAPPERS]

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Lies lies lies

 

[Bold Seagull]

Because of the bile and intolerance of people who are incapable of at least allowing others to have an opinion which is different from their own.

You really are the shining beacon of hope for tolerance of other people's opinions on these boards. Keep up the great work.

 

[nicko31]

Desperate.

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She's stepping down, just admit it Nicky you can't carry on with the flat earthers any more

 

[Bold Seagull]

Desperate.

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Imagine being a retailer and selling someone 19 laptop computers for their business. They then order 50 more, and when they turn up you have 31 more laptops ready for them....

 

[The Clamp]

It's my opinion,Respect it.

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Countless examples of Johnson outright lying to the public. No shame, no respect, no truth. Lie after lie all quoted or videos posted with just pure content. All showing Johnson and the Tory’s as incompetent liars.
You come up with this. A bad pun about being a wanker.
Well done.

 

[Pavilionaire]

2. The public don't like Jo Swinson either. Chuka Umunna on QT on Thursday shows he outclasses her in every department.


Blimey, I could outclass her. She is the best weapon the other parties have. Umunna has no credibility. The man is a slimeball, switching allegiance when the mood takes him and expecting his smarmy arrogance to keep winning people over.

I think you've over-stated Swinson's importance. Nick Clegg managed to get into these leader's debates and cut through with his 'third way'. Swinson was deprived of this opportunity which then groups her with Farage and SNP which ties one hand behind her back.

She's gone for 'Bollocks to Brexit' which has riled the 17 million and - rather curiously given the potentially catastrophic fall-out from a Johnson Brexit - a big chunk of the 16 million too.

As for Chuka, describing him as a slimeball is just plain bizarre - a description more apt for a serial liar like Johnson or a backstabber like Gove. I get he has a credibility issue by belonging to 3 political parties within a year but then he is representative of the non-Tory political world we find ourselves in now and post-Brexit. Personally, I think what he says is credible and he represents a large chunk of the British electorate which is Remain, tolerant, liberal.

I think it is inevitable that at some stage after Brexit there will be the creation of a UK-style 'Democrat' party and Umunna's shifting political views now are symptomatic of the struggle going on being able to compete with the Tories in a 'First Past The Post' electoral system. After this election and the fall-out from Brexit there will be many traditional Labour voters scratching their heads thinking why did they vote for the Brexit Party and get seduced by the Brexit lies.

 

[Bozza]

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Lies lies lies

It's really not though is it? You're better than that [MENTION=13]CHAPPERS[/MENTION].

He clearly had no idea what was going on locally, which is undoubtedly poor. He should be well briefed on the key issues locally, and be able to respond on them coherently. Having to try and take a steer from a member of his team, in this case, Matt Hancock, in the audience is very poor.

I've had the same conversation with my 9-y-o son recently when he said I'd lied about something. I'd said something that was incorrect, but done so in entirely good faith. My assertion is that I had not intended to deceive, I'd just been plain wrong.

I know this doesn't suit your "Johnson is the devil" agenda, on which I broadly agree, but I really don't think this was a case of standing up and telling an outright lie.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's really not though is it? You're better than that [MENTION=13]CHAPPERS[/MENTION].

He clearly had no idea what was going on locally, which is undoubtedly poor. He should be well briefed on the key issues locally, and be able to respond on them coherently. Having to try and take a steer from a member of his team, in this case, Matt Hancock, in the audience is very poor.

I've had the same conversation with my 9-y-o son recently when he said I'd lied about something. I'd said something that was incorrect, but done so in entirely good faith. My assertion is that I had not intended to deceive, I'd just been plain wrong.

I know this doesn't suit your "Johnson is the devil" agenda, on which I broadly agree, but I really don't think this was a case of standing up and telling an outright lie.

I agree with you.

He is the Devil, though.

 

[CHAPPERS]

It's really not though is it? You're better than that [MENTION=13]CHAPPERS[/MENTION].

He clearly had no idea what was going on locally, which is undoubtedly poor. He should be well briefed on the key issues locally, and be able to respond on them coherently. Having to try and take a steer from a member of his team, in this case, Matt Hancock, in the audience is very poor.

I've had the same conversation with my 9-y-o son recently when he said I'd lied about something. I'd said something that was incorrect, but done so in entirely good faith. My assertion is that I had not intended to deceive, I'd just been plain wrong.

I know this doesn't suit your "Johnson is the devil" agenda, on which I broadly agree, but I really don't think this was a case of standing up and telling an outright lie.

He said he'd certainly ensure that the A&E is kept open. That is clearly not the truth. He COULD have said that he would check with his colleague who was sat in the same room, but instead he chose to say something which is not true.

 

[Southpaw]

What a great interview on GMTV this morning with Nicky Morgan.Not quite the Prince Andrew car crash but for sure it was a car crash.

I love all these promises all parties are throwing out in a desperation to get elected.We are going to do this,we are going to do that.All bull of course.Is there any point to a manifestoI think not.Does anyone hold the winning parties to account for all their promises and sees further down the line just how many of their promises they deliver on??/Me thinks not.Therefore they can make all kinds of bullshit promises to get elected.

 

[Bozza]

He said he'd certainly ensure that the A&E is kept open. That is clearly not the truth. He COULD have said that he would check with his colleague who was sat in the same room, but instead he chose to say something which is not true.

Nah - I'm simply not having it.

I've also covered this subject before on this thread - we don't allow our politicians to say "I don't know - I'll check and get back to you" - you'd be copying and pasting links to tweets saying stuff like "UNBELIEVABLE - Boris Johnson don't know about the BIGGEST issue in Telford!!!11!!!!1"

He was very clearly trying to take a read from Hancock and got it wrong. His shortcoming is not being briefed and prepared for what was likely to come at him.

(As it happens the A&E in Telford is remaining open, but it is being changed based on recommendations of a body that is independent of government - https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...go-ahead-with-emergency-centre-in-shrewsbury/)

 

[Bold Seagull]

Nah - I'm simply not having it.

I've also covered this subject before on this thread - we don't allow our politicians to say "I don't know - I'll check and get back to you" - you'd be copying and pasting links to tweets saying stuff like "UNBELIEVABLE - Boris Johnson don't know about the BIGGEST issue in Telford!!!11!!!!1"

He was very clearly trying to take a read from Hancock and got it wrong. His shortcoming is not being briefed and prepared for what was likely to come at him.

(As it happens the A&E in Telford is remaining open, but it is being changed based on recommendations of a body that is independent of government - https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...go-ahead-with-emergency-centre-in-shrewsbury/)

50,000 new nurses. 19,000 of whom are already nurses in the NHS. Not being briefed or deceit?

 

[Bozza]

50,000 new nurses. 19,000 of whom are already nurses in the NHS. Not being briefed or deceit?

I've not read the finer details on that, but from the bits I have seen, it certainly seems to be duplicitous, yes.

(Sorry for disappointing you and not trying to find an excuse)