[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

Agreed. So an ultra soft Brexit is absolutely fine, as the key thing is we fulfill the remit to Leave. Glad we agree on this.

So we agree then, we should Leave and the people who say Brexit must be stopped and we dont leave are knobbers.
We just disagree on how to leave.......this is progress of sorts, but welcome to club Leave

 

[Stat Brother]

So we agree then, we should Leave and the people who say Brexit must be stopped and we dont leave are knobbers.
We just disagree on how to leave.......this is progress of sorts, but welcome to club Leave

Do you see any pitfalls or downsides to leaving with no deal?

 

[Diablo]

Do you see any pitfalls or downsides to leaving with no deal?

Oh yes !! Perish the thought of a no deal ...... We might end up as well off as the Swiss who have kept out of European conflicts for many years.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Oh yes !! Perish the thought of a no deal ...... We might end up as well off as the Swiss who have kept out of European conflicts for many years.

Switzerland, who are in Schengen along with 25 other countries? That Switzerland?

 

[Yoda]

Switzerland, who are in Schengen along with 25 other countries? That Switzerland?

Not to mention a member of the Single Market & EFTA.

 

[pb21]

Oh yes !! Perish the thought of a no deal ...... We might end up as well off as the Swiss who have kept out of European conflicts for many years.

I guess we could go straight in to EFTA and sign up to Schengen etc. as you say it works for the Swiss

 

[Stat Brother]

Oh yes !! Perish the thought of a no deal ...... We might end up as well off as the Swiss who have kept out of European conflicts for many years.

You've answered a binary question asked twice of Pasta, with Switzerland?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not to mention a member of the Single Market & EFTA.

Indeed, but one step at a time.

 

[Diablo]

Switzerland, who are in Schengen along with 25 other countries? That Switzerland?

Didn`t know there was another one ?? Obviously Switzerland is also in Europe !! your point is ??

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Didn`t know there was another one ?? Obviously Switzerland is also in Europe !! your point is ??

The UK voted via veto not to join Schengen. We have a border force which checks passports every time we leave or come back to the UK. Schengen countries don't.

Brexit, with or without no deal, will not make us become like Switzerland.

 

[pastafarian]

Do you see any pitfalls or downsides to leaving with no deal?

Plenty, but pitfalls that can be mitigated against and are being done so. Its no bed of roses and the downsides are challenging, there will be an immediate shock to leaving on no deal but the British workforce is resilient, the challenges will be short term, but business has a remarkable way of adapting quickly when money is to be made and they are not stupid enough to have not made plans in case of it happening.
There is an alternative though to no deal, accept whatever deal is on the table. Its perfectly legally possible to bring back the old deal for a vote given the right circumstances, if there is movement on the backstop there will be a new deal to vote on. Unfortunately we have a bunch of tosser MPs who refuse to accept both the deal and no deal, they simply want Brexit stopped. The damage to our democracy that will be done by ignoring the decision to leave far outweighs anything else.
If you don’t want to leave with no deal then shout at the top of your voice take the deal……….i have **** all sympathy for those that refuse to accept either.

 

[pastafarian]

Do you see any pitfalls or downsides to leaving with no deal?

Missed the first time you asked.
If you dont want to leave with no deal......accept the deal on the table.......come on now, all you remoaners say AYE, accept the deal on the table..........deathly silence!!!!!! (bar the two or three remainers on here who now think its the best idea)

 

[CHAPPERS]

Missed the first time you asked.
If you dont want to leave with no deal......accept the deal on the table.......come on now, all you remoaners say AYE, accept the deal on the table..........deathly silence!!!!!! (bar the two or three remainers on here who now think its the best idea)

There is no deal on the table. The PM is now saying we can't have the backstop in any deal yet has no answer to what will replace it. The PM has no deal to present and no negotiating team, even though he is saying talks are progressing. He's a liar and a hypocrite who is going to deslect at the next election for doing exactly what half his cabinet were doing earlier this year.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Switzerland, who are in Schengen along with 25 other countries? That Switzerland?

It does sound suspiciously like the same Switzerland who also have a plethora of bi-lateral agreements (aka 'deals') made with The EU over decades, that has free movement of people and has delays at their borders for checks on logistics at an average of 20 minutes per vehicle as per other real borders such as Sweden/Norway, not fantasy frontiers that ERG members like to 'believe' in.

 

[Stat Brother]

Missed the first time you asked.
If you dont want to leave with no deal......accept the deal on the table.......come on now, all you remoaners say AYE, accept the deal on the table..........deathly silence!!!!!! (bar the two or three remainers on here who now think its the best idea)

What if you just don't want to leave?

I have no faith in any politician.
I have no faith in UK democracy.
I have no faith in a referendum that was just to shut Farridge up.
I have no faith in a tampered result.

TBH I'd rather cling onto a desperate attempt to stay in Europe at the expense of our ruling class.
Than jettison Europe and remain enthralled to a tiny minority of the UK who's intentions I believe to be self serving.


You don't see it that way and that's fine.

 

[Diablo]

The UK voted via veto not to join Schengen. We have a border force which checks passports every time we leave or come back to the UK. Schengen countries don't.

Brexit, with or without no deal, will not make us become like Switzerland.

My opinion which you obviously won`t agree with. .
Out, we will not be subsidising the likes of Greece Spain Italy . Our businesses that are weighed down by European bureaucracy will flourish in the free world. Europeans will still want to sell to us and any tariffs will be replicated by us and both sides will soon realise (I imagine they do now) they do no one any good. Tell me what will the Spanish do with all their Salad and Fruit. Where will the Danish sell their Bacon. Where will the French sell the millions of bottles of wine we take from them. It`s not just BMW`s and Mercedes that will feel hurt in any trade war.

 

[Stat Brother]

My opinion which you obviously won`t agree with. .
Out, we will not be subsidising the likes of Greece Spain Italy . Our businesses that are weighed down by European bureaucracy will flourish in the free world. Europeans will still want to sell to us and any tariffs will be replicated by us and both sides will soon realise (I imagine they do now) they do no one any good. Tell me what will the Spanish do with all their Salad and Fruit. Where will the Danish sell their Bacon. Where will the French sell the millions of bottles of wine we take from them. It`s not just BMW`s and Mercedes that will feel hurt in any trade war.

It's the 'I'm happy just so long as everyone else is also suffering' argument.

 

[Simster]

Missed the first time you asked.
If you dont want to leave with no deal......accept the deal on the table.......come on now, all you remoaners say AYE, accept the deal on the table..........deathly silence!!!!!! (bar the two or three remainers on here who now think its the best idea)

But that was never the only way out of this mess. Why not leave the EU but stay in a customs union and pay for free access to the common market? Solves the Irish border question, keeps businesses who have spent 40 years building trade in our nearest export market afloat.

The deal that was on the table quite clearly left us in a worse position than we are now, in every conceivable way, which is why everyone except May's government voted against it.

 

[theonlymikey]

But immigration was a major factor in deciding to leave, i have never denied that, it was a large contributing factor. What leavers dispute is the idiotic remainers who say immigration was the ONLY reason you voted to leave because you are racists and dont like brown people and muslims. The biggest factor for leave voters for voting to leave was the issue of sovereignty and that decisions involving the UK should be made by the UK.
In all honesty i thought you were more sensible than this, there is more than one reason to be outside the single market, its not simply about immigration. You have the added conundrum of the ECJ which is the court body that regulates the single market and by thus doing so has primacy over UK courts in domestic issues. On the plus side at least you recognise that to end free movement you have to be out of the single market, plenty of remainers moaned early on and couldnt understand why it was necessary to leave the single market when it was clear a leave vote meant end free movement

I don't understand what Tories are trying to achieve. Their polling data shows they are terrified of Muslims. Yet an Australian based point system will open the door to 2bn Muslims residing OUTSIDE of the EU.



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[pastafarian]

There is no deal on the table. The PM is now saying we can't have the backstop in any deal yet has no answer to what will replace it. The PM has no deal to present and no negotiating team, even though he is saying talks are progressing. He's a liar and a hypocrite who is going to deslect at the next election for doing exactly what half his cabinet were doing earlier this year.

Dont give up so easily, lobby your MP to force the PM to present the current deal on the table again
If it came up for vote again and the EU have refused to accept an extension would you say aye accept the deal or would you be in the noes and be a no deal enabler?