[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

If you want trade as frictionless as possible, you stay in the single market and customs union, there is only one reason to be out of the single market, immigration, and yet very few of you will say that was the major factor in voting leave.
Maybe a referendum is needed to find out what the peoples red lines are, not just the Tory Brexiters?

But immigration was a major factor in deciding to leave, i have never denied that, it was a large contributing factor. What leavers dispute is the idiotic remainers who say immigration was the ONLY reason you voted to leave because you are racists and dont like brown people and muslims. The biggest factor for leave voters for voting to leave was the issue of sovereignty and that decisions involving the UK should be made by the UK.
In all honesty i thought you were more sensible than this, there is more than one reason to be outside the single market, its not simply about immigration. You have the added conundrum of the ECJ which is the court body that regulates the single market and by thus doing so has primacy over UK courts in domestic issues. On the plus side at least you recognise that to end free movement you have to be out of the single market, plenty of remainers moaned early on and couldnt understand why it was necessary to leave the single market when it was clear a leave vote meant end free movement

 

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[Baldseagull]

One would be, in the same vein as I don't wish similar fates to any fleeing refugees from war-torn countries, nor a victim of a terrible hurricane. Don't really see your point.

My point is that no one is saying we will all die, there are people saying some people will die, you either don't care or dont believe it to be true. It is nice to know you don't want anyone to die for Brexit, but it does seem a bit weird to lump in Hurricanes and wars as other examples of events that would cause death to innocents that you would not want, it makes it seem that there is nothing we can do about it, people will die and the best we can do is try and keep the numbers down.
Do you think anybody will die as a direct result of no deal, or do you think it is bull crap? And do you think No Deal is the best way forward?

 

[Is it PotG?]

And do you think No Deal is the best way forward?

Nope. May's deal should have been accepted by Jezza and comrades.

 

[Baldseagull]

But immigration was a major factor in deciding to leave, i have never denied that, it was a large contributing factor. What leavers dispute is the idiotic remainers who say immigration was the ONLY reason you voted to leave because you are racists and dont like brown people and muslims. The biggest factor for leave voters for voting to leave was the issue of sovereignty and that decisions involving the UK should be made by the UK.
In all honesty i thought you were more sensible than this, there is more than one reason to be outside the single market, its not simply about immigration. You have the added conundrum of the ECJ which is the court body that regulates the single market and by thus doing so has primacy over UK courts in domestic issues. On the plus side at least you recognise that to end free movement you have to be out of the single market, plenty of remainers moaned early on and couldnt understand why it was necessary to leave the single market when it was clear a leave vote meant end free movement

And yet with all the talk over the last few pages of what was on or not on the paper we placed our X on, leaving or staying in the single market was not there. There were many things said about what leaving would mean by various people in the campaign, including your friend and mine, Dan Hannan, who said no one was talking about threatening our place in the single market. I know, more people said the opposite, but some of them were being dismissed as fear mongerers, and others were the same people who said we would get a great deal, it would be easy etc.
Like JCFG, you have decided for you what were the important promises, and which can be discarded, but you really don't know what was important to everyone else, the extra spends for the NHS might have been it for some.

 

[Grombleton]

Yep, doesnt matter if you have served in the armed forces or not, bullshit is bullshit and needs to be called out

I mean, i agree with that sentiment...but its a users Twitter account. This is just bizarre.

 

[Baldseagull]

I have to say that asking if she replied and her saying yes did appear ridiculously easy



So what 'bullshit' did you call out ?

She posted something from a Trade remedies consultant who said she had lost her job at Department for International Trade for pointing out a fact about Brexit.

You asked if she had posted a reply.

She said Yes.

Now loads of others have also posted replies.

Do you ever think you should take a break from your puff, porn and all night sessions with 'your boys' ?

He claims that she lied about people being rejected for settled status, and posted confirmation from official sites saying that no one has been rejected. The truth is, many have had their settled status application denied, but have received pre settled status instead, despite some of those people clearly being eligible for full settled status, she did not lie, but perhaps the place where she gleaned the information did not make the point that those people denied will not be seen as here illegally after Brexit. It is however quite discouraging for people who have made lives here, to be told you have to apply again later, your status is not yet confirmed and you will have stricter rules about how long you may be out of the country for, than you should have, you will be a third class citizen, as opposed to the second class citizen you are entitled to be.

 

[Baldseagull]

Nope. May's deal should have been accepted by Jezza and comrades.

So what is it you want now?

 

[pb21]

Nope. May's deal should have been accepted by Jezza and comrades.

Labour MPs weren't elected to endorse Tory policy; and vice versa.

They would be failing their constituents wishes who voted them in if they did.

 

[beorhthelm]

And yet with all the talk over the last few pages of what was on or not on the paper we placed our X on, leaving or staying in the single market was not there. There were many things said about what leaving would mean by various people in the campaign, including your friend and mine, Dan Hannan, who said no one was talking about threatening our place in the single market. I know, more people said the opposite, but some of them were being dismissed as fear mongerers, and others were the same people who said we would get a great deal, it would be easy etc.
Like JCFG, you have decided for you what were the important promises, and which can be discarded, but you really don't know what was important to everyone else, the extra spends for the NHS might have been it for some.

you might like to know the quote from Dan Hannan was not during the campaign, and was arguably mis-spoken. you can look up on the net if you like. this event has taught us politicians need to up their game, in social media world a tiny error is treated the same a manifesto pledge, with the public accept whatever confirms our view (actually that may not be a new thing).

 

[pastafarian]

I have to say that asking if she replied and her saying yes did appear ridiculously easy
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I didnt ask if she replied.....as normal you like to misrepresent what has been said, either that or you are thick as mince......which one is it?

So what 'bullshit' did you call out ?

Umm i said multiple users had called out her bullshit
Personally myself and recently from memory, her rubbish on a 30% rejection rate of EU citizens which she admitted was wrong,her claim it was solely down to the ERG that the deal was rejected (false), on her belief that EU law didnt really have supremacy even though the UK, EU courts and European Communities Act says it does,her statement that the backstop was Theresa Mays idea....it wasnt.It was introduced by the EU.
Is that enough bullshit for you to begin with

She posted something from a Trade remedies consultant who said she had lost her job at Department for International Trade for pointing out a fact about Brexit.

Did she, great stuff

You asked if she had posted a reply.

Did i?....riveting

She said Yes.

wow, the excitement is killing me

Now loads of others have also posted replies.

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Did they? Wonderful! I am so excited i forgot to ask wtf are you going on about

Do you ever think you should take a break from your puff, porn and all night sessions with 'your boys' ?

No.....Why should i? You think by asking i should?....dont smoke by the way

 

[Seaber]

The first comment currently showing under that tweet is someone who has seagull in their username and has the same avatar you have on here.......spooky stuff.

Pastafarian, the only reason Thunder Bolt's reply would be the first one you see is if you either follow her from your own Twitter account you're logged into, or you've visited her account before.

It was neither the most popular or recent comment when TB posted it.

 

[pastafarian]

Blimey. I have just read back the posts above and, obviously, I have had this joker on ignore for quite a long time, so I'm reading only the rebuttals.....but I can smell the rotting gammon from here.

No need to be racist you twit
Typical snowflake though, only wants to hear opinions that come out of his echo chamber.
The thought of reading first hand what you think you are objecting to must be oh so frightening.......grow up, you are acting like a spoilt teenage **** with your childish ignore nonsense.
And to think that apparently you are a teacher........there is no hope......we are all ****ed if people like you are teaching the future generation.....they should get their money back

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I said I would leave this thread alone this week but I just wanted to post this and you need to look back and think, are you becoming hysterical like konnie over project fear.

If you are perhaps you should spend some time and meditate.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9850971/piers-morgan-konnie-huq-brexit-rant/

 

[Stat Brother]

I said I would leave this thread alone this week but I just wanted to post this and you need to look back and think, are you becoming hysterical like konnie over project fear.

If you are perhaps you should spend some time and meditate.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9850971/piers-morgan-konnie-huq-brexit-rant/

Pierced Organ and Konnie Huq as reported in The Sun's TV & Showbiz section.


The problem as I see it is that's going to be the bench mark of today's highbrow debate.

 

[pastafarian]

And yet with all the talk over the last few pages of what was on or not on the paper we placed our X on, leaving or staying in the single market was not there. There were many things said about what leaving would mean by various people in the campaign, including your friend and mine, Dan Hannan, who said no one was talking about threatening our place in the single market. I know, more people said the opposite, but some of them were being dismissed as fear mongerers, and others were the same people who said we would get a great deal, it would be easy etc.
Like JCFG, you have decided for you what were the important promises, and which can be discarded, but you really don't know what was important to everyone else, the extra spends for the NHS might have been it for some.

Since we are talking about promises. The overriding important promise was that if a decision was returned to leave we would Leave and that if a decision was returned to remain we would remain. You and i both understood this before we voted.

 

[Stat Brother]

Since we are talking about promises. The overriding important promise was that if a decision was returned to leave we would Leave and that if a decision was returned to remain we would remain. You and i both understood this before we voted.

Do you see any pitfalls or downsides to leaving with no deal?

 

[pastafarian]

Pastafarian, the only reason Thunder Bolt's reply would be the first one you see is if you either follow her from your own Twitter account you're logged into, or you've visited her account before.

It was neither the most popular or recent comment when TB posted it.

How does that work when i dont have a twitter account, so cant be one of her followers and i read the comments from the tweet she posted minutes after she posted it and hers was on top......there were not that many comments to be fair.(maybe about six when i looked).....is that how it works?

 

[Mellotron]

Since we are talking about promises. The overriding important promise was that if a decision was returned to leave we would Leave and that if a decision was returned to remain we would remain. You and i both understood this before we voted.

Agreed. So an ultra soft Brexit is absolutely fine, as the key thing is we fulfill the remit to Leave. Glad we agree on this.

 

[pb21]

Pastafarian, the only reason Thunder Bolt's reply would be the first one you see is if you either follow her from your own Twitter account you're logged into, or you've visited her account before.

It was neither the most popular or recent comment when TB posted it.

How does that work when i dont have a twitter account, so cant be one of her followers and i read the comments from the tweet she posted minutes after she posted it and hers was on top......there were not that many comments to be fair.(maybe about six when i looked).....is that how it works?

Spooky