[Politics] Brexit

[Green Cross Code Man]

I find your opinion on that utterly bemusing, but fair enough.

Do you find those Scots who want independence utterly bemusing as well?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Independence for The South East/Sussex/East Sussex/Brighton and Hove/Pavilion

The lengths people will go to in rather than answer the simple question which is staring them in the face

Desperate ?

I must admit, I've secretly long wanted '1066 Country' to break away from the evil clutches of the East Sussex County Council empire in Lewes and form it's own, glorious unitary authority based in a resplendent, rebuilt Hastings Castle.

 

[Guinness Boy]

You make some good points from a perspective that I do not necessarily concur with but I can sympathise with. The reason it is a stupid question is that as you say, if the politicians can't provide any answers, then we haven't a hope either. It is a classic case of repeating but expecting different results, either that or it's just unnecessary trolling.

Fair enough

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Surely not an 'undemocratic loon' on the Brexit side?

Do you oppose Scottish independence? I would assume so from that remark. I find it hard to see why you would find a nation becoming independent undemocratic if it voted in such a way.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Do you find those Scots who want independence utterly bemusing as well?

Not at all and as I've previously said in this thread I can't blame them in the slightest anymore with what's going in London - However there's a whole longtime established independence movement there, political parties backing it, finance, ongoing campaigns dedicated to it, numerical support for it in terms of populace, a national parliament etc - with all due respect it's a bit different to one person in Eastbourne wanting 'freedom' for England.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sometimes I wonder if you act stupid or really are stupid.

So, let's assume someone has the guts to actually hold the referendum - unlikely in NI but that's the point isn't it - don't ask then you don't get an answer you don't like. With 1.8m people in NI and 4.8m people in ROI, how do you think the vote would go ? Now that's a direct question - to YOU - try answering a question for a change ?

22nd May 1998.
They had one and were in agreement until those pesky loons in Westminster decided to mess it all up, by wanting to leave the EU.

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/fref98.htm

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Not at all and as I've previously said in this thread I can't blame in the slightest anymore with what's going in London - However there's a whole longtime established independence movement there, political parties backing it, finance, ongoing campaigns dedicated to it, numerical support for it in terms of populace, a national parliament etc - with all due respect it's a bit different to one person in Eastbourne wanting 'freedom' for England.

I think you are overthinking this. I am sure that I am in a minority, but I would imagine there are a large number of like-minded people. The state of being established as a cause does not add any validity or credence to a political aim in itself, everything has to start somewhere. It strikes me as odd that you would afford the Scots something that you wouldn't even contemplate for the English which is pretty discriminatory in my view.

However, I am not a Nationalist but rather a nationalist, I believe as Voltaire said, 'every man is my brother' and try to live with that in mind. I won't be desperately hoping for the break-up of the union nor will I decide to take to the streets a la Citizen Smith lol.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

22nd May 1998.
They had one and were in agreement until those pesky loons in Westminster decided to mess it all up, by wanting to leave the EU.

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/fref98.htm

Even for you that's stretching it a bit ..... it wasn't a referendum on unification was it ? Not even close. It was about the agreement for peace - and who would have voted against that !

 

[Simster]

Even for you that's stretching it a bit ..... it wasn't a referendum on unification was it ? Not even close. It was about the agreement for peace - and who would have voted against that !

Who would have voted against that? Well about 30% of Northern Ireland did.


I don't really understand what you people are arguing about to be honest, it's well off topic. The point here is surely that we can't have Brexit at all unless a solution to the Irish border can be found. To unilaterally go ahead is tantamount to ripping up the GFA and the sort of bullying masked as "democracy" that would make Israel blush.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Who would have voted against that? Well about 30% of Northern Ireland did.


I don't really understand what you people are arguing about to be honest, it's well off topic. The point here is surely that we can't have Brexit at all unless a solution to the Irish border can be found. To unilaterally go ahead is tantamount to ripping up the GFA and the sort of bullying masked as "democracy" that would make Israel blush.

Exactly. Britain would be known as a country who cannot stick to international treaties as ratified in the United Nations. A country who cannot be trusted.

 

[Stat Brother]

I must admit, I've secretly long wanted '1066 Country' to break away from the evil clutches of the East Sussex County Council empire in Lewes and form it's own, glorious unitary authority based in a resplendent, rebuilt Hastings Castle.

You're welcome to go, just so long as bEast Sussex fudges off as well, leaving the One True Sussex to stand proud.

West is Best.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You're welcome to go, just so long as bEast Sussex fudges off as well, leaving the One True Sussex to stand proud.

West is Best.

Since you get Crawley in this deal, I am more than happy for East Sussex to become independent

 

[Simster]

Exactly. Britain would be known as a country who cannot stick to international treaties as ratified in the United Nations. A country who cannot be trusted.

What makes me more angry than anything is the UKIP position on this - it is absolutely ridiculous. They insist they'd just leave the border open. I mean really? REALLY? I mean it is just pitiful.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Exactly. Britain would be known as a country who cannot stick to international treaties as ratified in the United Nations. A country who cannot be trusted.

Which Democratic Congressmen Boyle and Neal, to name but two, have kindly pointed out when talking about a the possibility of a post Brexit trade deal with The US.

 

[Stat Brother]

Since you get Crawley in this deal, I am more than happy for East Sussex to become independent

Nuts, I forgot to throw the airport in as a sweetener.

 

[golddene]

Since you get Crawley in this deal, I am more than happy for East Sussex to become independent

And we get to keep the Albion, bring it on I say

 

[WATFORD zero]

The lengths people will go to rather than answer the simple question

Sometimes I wonder if you act stupid or really are stupid.

So, let's assume someone has the guts to actually hold the referendum - unlikely in NI but that's the point isn't it - don't ask then you don't get an answer you don't like. With 1.8m people in NI and 4.8m people in ROI, how do you think the vote would go ? Now that's a direct question - to YOU - try answering a question for a change ?

Indeed ...... and the hypocracy !

What's with all the shouting ? I was having Breakfast. Calm down.

And I suspect that they would vote to stay as is

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

It's a little known fact that Worthing actually declared UDI some years ago. But the United Peoples Front of Broadwater weren't happy - and they split off from Worthing. Seeing this, The Maybridge Liberation Army was formed (you don't mess with them) and declared itself a tax haven for Worthing's richer residents. Meanwhile High Salvington was in negotiation with Findon village and sought 'Protectorate' status. This resulted in the rump of the Worthing state launching an Expeditionary Force up to Cissbury Ring...…………………..

 

[A1X]

The point here is surely that we can't have Brexit at all unless a solution to the Irish border can be found. To unilaterally go ahead is tantamount to ripping up the GFA and the sort of bullying masked as "democracy" that would make Israel blush.

Ironically the one thing which was really going for the Theresa May agreement was that it did actually manage to deliver Brexit while honouring the Good Friday Agreement. Only for the Brexiters to decide they didn't like that and act accordingly.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's a little known fact that Worthing actually declared UDI some years ago. But the United Peoples Front of Broadwater weren't happy - and they split off from Worthing. Seeing this, The Maybridge Liberation Army was formed (you don't mess with them) and declared itself a tax haven for Worthing's richer residents. Meanwhile High Salvington was in negotiation with Findon village and sought 'Protectorate' status. This resulted in the rump of the Worthing state launching an Expeditionary Force up to Cissbury Ring...…………………..

Bloody splitters