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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,976
Crawley
Why would they lie about the EU .?

Anthony Hilton wrote this in the Evening Standard - I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. "That's easy", he replied. "When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice."

Newspapers got a free ride with the EU, the EU never took any paper to court for their bullcrap or had any powers to limit the press, unlike the UK Government. It sells papers, here is a link to a list of stories in the UK press over the years misrepresenting EU laws https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
To sell papers, make money and further their own agendas. Farage shorted the pound on the night of the referendum. JRM is a multi millionaire hedge fund manager who stands to make more money by removal of workers rights. Boris Johnson just wants to be PM by any means possible.

Look at who owns the media who have spun this bullshit. Rupert Murdoch was even quoted as saying he didn't like the EU because it was more difficult to control than the UK.

It's not complicated, it's a con.

20 years of lies from the papers.

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albion68

New member
Oct 27, 2011
228
To sell papers, make money and further their own agendas. Farage shorted the pound on the night of the referendum. JRM is a multi millionaire hedge fund manager who stands to make more money by removal of workers rights. Boris Johnson just wants to be PM by any means possible.

Look at who owns the media who have spun this bullshit. Rupert Murdoch was even quoted as saying he didn't like the EU because it was more difficult to control than the UK.

It's not complicated, it's a con.

I was under the impression that companies in the UK wanted cheap labour from the EU to make more money and keep wages down for British workers ,not forgetting British jobs for British workers quoted by Gordon Brown under Labour Government .
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I was under the impression that companies in the UK wanted cheap labour from the EU to make more money and keep wages down for British workers ,not forgetting British jobs for British workers quoted by Gordon Brown under Labour Government .

That's what the press wanted you to believe.
 








Stat Brother

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,870
West west west Sussex
I was under the impression that companies in the UK wanted cheap labour from the EU to make more money and keep wages down for British workers ,not forgetting British jobs for British workers quoted by Gordon Brown under Labour Government .

But the UK can't have all things all ways.

It can't have cheap foreign labour.
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Low paid jobs.
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Cheap plentiful supermarkets
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Stop Johnny Foreigner coming over here
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A welfare state.
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Competitive trade.
 


LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
I was under the impression that companies in the UK wanted cheap labour from the EU to make more money and keep wages down for British workers ,not forgetting British jobs for British workers quoted by Gordon Brown under Labour Government .
Immigration will increase if we remove freedom of movement from EU citizens Yes, the UK needs cheap labour from immigrants (not necessarily EU immigrants) to survive. So we'll get it from trade deals done with China, India etc. Remember, we already make our own rules about how many non EU migrants are allowed into the country.

Racist Leave voters will be surprised that there are a lot more non white people moving here and that that's what they actually voted for.

Again. You were conned.
 


A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
17,951
Deepest, darkest Sussex
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
You do not need to read a Newspaper to see something in front of your own eyes .

I haven't seen it. When I was working everyone in the same grade got the same pay, regardless of nationality.
Where my husband works, jobs were advertised and it was mainly European workers who applied.

We are 3000 nurses and 12000 doctors short in the NHS. They get paid according to their grade.
 




Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,976
Crawley
You do not need to read a Newspaper to see something in front of your own eyes .

You can argue that there has been some wage suppression, but there are better ways of solving that issue than leaving the EU. That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. This is a particularly nasty twist and blunt use of the truth, in that those Tories pushing hardest for Brexit, are also the ones who bemoan the Social Charter, want lower workers rights, have already made it harder for employees to take an employer to tribunal, etc. Freedom of movement is not without issue, but the main issues that people worry about in the UK are probably nowhere near as bad as you think, and also there are remedies available and in the power of UK Parliament to use, but it would cost.
 




Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,976
Crawley


She is stuck in the leavers denial. Worst of all she thinks every other leaver is too, all want No Deal "every single brexit voter is saying no deal". She telling him, "you need to stand firm", he telling her "you need to be honest"
 




vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,902
He seems permanently hyper. It's as if he senses that he's suddenly become a key player. I worry about the boy - he's delusional.
I was listening to LBC yesterday abs ar one point they interviewed Tim Laughton the Shoreham and East Worthing MP..... Turns out he is a member of the ERG too! There he was calling for compromise yet suggesting excluding Labour from any talks while he himself has voted against May's deal!
 


Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
I was listening to LBC yesterday abs ar one point they interviewed Tim Laughton the Shoreham and East Worthing MP..... Turns out he is a member of the ERG too! There he was calling for compromise yet suggesting excluding Labour from any talks while he himself has voted against May's deal!

Yes indeed. Laughton is one of the ERG and was also the campaign manager of Leadsom in her (laughable) leadership bid (they had a bit of a thing going when they were students at Warwick Uni I think).

They (the Tory Brexstreamists) really are piece of work. With an almost certain extension about to be granted by the EU this is Rees Mogg's position:

“If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes.


This is in flagrant disregard of our Treaty obligation to 'sincere co-operation'. So much for responsible government: a Conservative MP advocating deliberate flouting ofan agreed Treaty as if he's some sort of left wing student activist. Well, really old chap!
 




Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
To sell papers, make money and further their own agendas. Farage shorted the pound on the night of the referendum. JRM is a multi millionaire hedge fund manager who stands to make more money by removal of workers rights. Boris Johnson just wants to be PM by any means possible.

Look at who owns the media who have spun this bullshit. Rupert Murdoch was even quoted as saying he didn't like the EU because it was more difficult to control than the UK.

It's not complicated, it's a con.

Of course Johnson has got huge amounts of 'previous' on this. As the Torygraph's EU correspondent he quite shamelessly produced myths on the EU. Here's a quote from the New Statesman:

was sort of chucking these rocks over the garden wall and I listened to this amazing crash from the greenhouse next door over in England as everything I wrote from Brussels was having this amazing, explosive *effect on the Tory party – and it really gave me this, I suppose, rather weird sense of power,” he told the BBC years later.


So it was a bit of a jolly jape to print lies.
 




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