[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

What's everyone's problem with chlorine washed chicken?

Many of the salad bags in the supermarket are chlorine washed but I don't see anybody complaining about them

Who buys salad in bags? That's just laziness.

 

[nicko31]

What's everyone's problem with chlorine washed chicken?

Many of the salad bags in the supermarket are chlorine washed but I don't see anybody complaining about them

Chickens have to be washed in chlorine due to appalling animal husbandry that is allowed in the US. You can hardly compare a washed lettuce.

Never buy washed salads, tasteless and hopeless shelf life once open

 

[nicko31]

The biggest problem with the EU was they let rich fat cats like Farage do nothing and collect a salary and a pension.

His pension is the least he deserves for all he and his family have been through

 

[The Clamp]

Going by the time and date in the thread title, which is obviously the law as pointed out by them on many occasions, I think it's because we're now into the final month of the first phase of this disaster. Something like the thread title having to be changed due to an A50 extension and [MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] being proved right on no deal not happening could cause real, genuine distress to people on the Internet who haven't met him, because he'd be right and they wouldn't. (Think ignore list gate angst x1000 and you'd not even be close as to how much)

On the flip side, no matter how bad no deal is if it were to happen, the unbridled joy of them being right and Brexit finally happening and him and others, such as myself who on balance think it unlikely, being wrong will be overwhelmingly joyous.

It's just all getting a bit real and a bit tetchy now in the internet point scoring stakes for some and tempers are getting frayed and emotions are boiling over.

You’re right, and I might also add that I think some of them were secretly hoping it would never happen. That way they could have acted with righteous indignation and bleat on about democracy but secretly be relieved the disaster didn’t happen.
The disaster is happening. And it’s their fault.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Future plans that we would have had a say in, with a power of veto for those we didn't like.
The good like workers rights, maternity leave, cleaned up beaches etc were all from the EU.
We didn't like kilometres or litres of beer, or driving on the right, or the euro, so we didn't do it, despite all those big bad nasties in Brussels and Strasbourg 'lording it over us'.

And as usual you ignore the fact we don't have vetos in all areas - in fact we have vetos in less areas than we actually have them. So for example, the new employment laws for 2020 ( I'm sure you'll know which ones I mean as your such a supporter of the EU ) we don't have a veto .... if we stayed.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And as usual you ignore the fact we don't have vetos in all areas - in fact we have vetos in less areas than we actually have them. So for example, the new employment laws for 2020 ( I'm sure you'll know which ones I mean as your such a supporter of the EU ) we don't have a veto .... if we stayed.

You cannot help yourself can you? Even when you mention a fact, you have to put a dig in with it.

Employment laws are good and I wish more employers took note of them, instead of workers having to go to tribunals to enforce their rights, So many employees, don't know their entitlements.
I am all for union membership although I don't like the way union leaders use block votes or the way the money is spent, but I have used the union when I was working.
Up the workers.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

You know I’m right. Hence you have no real argument to offer. Poor show.

What is the point? You are very closed minded. The 'binding' vote thing has been discussed many times. At the time of the referendum, it was made clear that the result would be adhered to. However you and some other less democratic remainers persist in ignoring the spirit of the vote and try to appease your wishful feelings with a poor justification that somehow the vote was flawed and can be ignored simply as there was no specific law introduced to carry it out.

The post from Gwylan was reasonable and would imo have offered a better solution than that offered by purely conservative ministers implementing Brexit and may have caused things to be smoother. But just like the other poster, you don't regard the largest vote in our nation's history as important enough to support as your view was not the one voted for.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You cannot help yourself can you? Even when you mention a fact, you have to put a dig in with it.

Employment laws are good and I wish more employers took note of them, instead of workers having to go to tribunals to enforce their rights, So many employees, don't know their entitlements.
I am all for union membership although I don't like the way union leaders use block votes or the way the money is spent, but I have used the union when I was working.
Up the workers.

TB you're just as bad at the digs. So come on then which employment laws was I talking about ?

And my point was that it should be OUR governments choice to implement employment rights not enforced on us by the EU.

 

[The Clamp]

What is the point? You are very closed minded. The 'binding' vote thing has been discussed many times. At the time of the referendum, it was made clear that the result would be adhered to. However you and some other less democratic remainers persist in ignoring the spirit of the vote and try to appease your wishful feelings with a poor justification that somehow the vote was flawed and can be ignored simply as there was no specific law introduced to carry it out.

The post from Gwylan was reasonable and would imo have offered a better solution than that offered by purely conservative ministers implementing Brexit and may have caused things to be smoother. But just like the other poster, you don't regard the largest vote in our nation's history as important enough to support as your view was not the one voted for.

Yes, yes , waffle, waffle, idealist rhetoric. Rhubarb.
It was declared advisory before the vote. It should have remained so. Those are the facts . Anything further you add is irrelevant drivel.

And not allowing my opinion to be shouted down by the likes of you is not being closed minded . It’s sticking to my principles.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

TB you're just as bad at the digs. So come on then which employment laws was I talking about ?

And my point was that it should be OUR governments choice to implement employment rights not enforced on us by the EU.

I don't know what employment laws the EU are going to pass because that is in the future, but I do know that laws passed in the UK include parental leave for bereavement leave for parents who lose a child, and following a miscarriage.
There is also the Government’s “Good Work Plan”, there will be a requirement for all employees to be provided with a written statement of terms on the first day of their employment, rather than within the first two months as is currently required by the Employment Rights Act 1996, and also to add to the amount of required information which must be contained in the statement of terms. This measure is due to come into force on 6 April 2020.

(yes, I did copy and paste the last paragraph because it was quicker.

I haven't kept up with employment law very much in the last four years since I retired.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What is the point? You are very closed minded. The 'binding' vote thing has been discussed many times. At the time of the referendum, it was made clear that the result would be adhered to. However you and some other less democratic remainers persist in ignoring the spirit of the vote and try to appease your wishful feelings with a poor justification that somehow the vote was flawed and can be ignored simply as there was no specific law introduced to carry it out.

The post from Gwylan was reasonable and would imo have offered a better solution than that offered by purely conservative ministers implementing Brexit and may have caused things to be smoother. But just like the other poster, you don't regard the largest vote in our nation's history as important enough to support as your view was not the one voted for.

It doesn't matter what politicians say or put on leaflets. The only thing that is legal is legislation and the Referendum Act 2015 said it was advisory.
Just last week the Court of Appeal ruled that if the referendum had been binding, it could've been declared corrupt and illegal.
The only thing that saved it was because it was advisory, so on that point you haven't got a prayer.

 

[Driver8]

Interesting....

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1103367854198611968?s=21

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1103368303056179206?s=21

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1103368697912139777?s=21

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I thought that MPs were supposed to represent their electorate?

That doesn't mean pursuing whatever they think the majority of their electorate support in all and evety matter. Remember on most issues the MP won't even know what the majority of his/her electorate support. And the stats you cite are false anyway - you mean 'represent the majority of those who voted' which is always way less than 50% of the electorate. Nothing and nobody in the UK is supported or elected by more than 50% of the actual electorate.

Finally, consider capital punishment. In the past (and probably still today) a majority of all constituencies support(ed) capital punishment and yet parliament have steadfastly voted against it. Thatcher tried to bring it back and lost the vote. We elect MPs to make decisions. If all decions were base on what the majority of the electorate want we wouldn't need MPs - just some mechanism for holding multiple 'referenda' every week on every issue. Consider how that would work out....

The way British democracy works is the candidates make their case and winner takes all. Not the person getting more than 50% of the constituency to support them, which never happens. The other expectation is the candidate not lie. For example, can you imagine a candidate being elected as MP having come out against Brexit, then becoming leader of her party, now hell bent on delivering Brexit? What sort of muppet could support that sort of muppet?

 

[pastafarian]

On our way

Easiest deal in history

Brexit means Brexit

No deal

Undemocratic loons

Tick Tock

23 days to go

Aww bless, still posting anything at all to avoid answering the question.
Im not surprised though that you still refuse to answer, it would just reveal even more of your WTO rubbish to be absolute bollocks.

"Project shit the bed" as perpetrated by those well-known anti-Brexit traitors at *checks notes* the Mail on Sunday.

The Mail on Sunday was a very vocal remain supporting paper dimwit

Many times I have complained about the BBC and their slant on the news, citing a complaint I sent in about an incident in Calais in 2015, when I was actually there.
So many times politicians have been allowed to broadcast their propaganda without being challenged, and certain politicians have had much more exposure than others.

Now Ofcom are investigating them (not as a result of my complaint along, I might add)

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This sums up your twitter rubbish perfectly, the BBC have not been placed under investigation because of perceived impartiality. Try reading what you actually post instead of blindly believing and parroting some random idiot on twitter. No one is shocked because it is simply Ofcom announcing their annual review of the BBC.

“Ofcom’s job is to regulate the BBC to ensure it fulfils its Mission and Public Purposes on behalf of UK audiences. One way we do this is through in-depth reviews addressing any specific issue of concern we identify”
“The findings from this review will inform our next annual assessment of the BBC’s performance, which will be published in autumn 2019”

Which will be the next report to follow on from the annual report Ofcom produced last year in Oct 2018

And still banging on about 2015 like a broken record where it was you who was mistaken and not the BBC.

Ah, yes I get it, it's only a betrayal of democracy if the result doesn't go the way you want it.

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My lord you are stupid, thick as mince as some would say.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I don't know what employment laws the EU are going to pass because that is in the future, but I do know that laws passed in the UK include parental leave for bereavement leave for parents who lose a child, and following a miscarriage.
There is also the Government’s “Good Work Plan”, there will be a requirement for all employees to be provided with a written statement of terms on the first day of their employment, rather than within the first two months as is currently required by the Employment Rights Act 1996, and also to add to the amount of required information which must be contained in the statement of terms. This measure is due to come into force on 6 April 2020.

(yes, I did copy and paste the last paragraph because it was quicker.

I haven't kept up with employment law very much in the last four years since I retired.

So you know nothing about the Work-Life Balance Directive and the Transparent and Predictable Working Conditions Directive ? And people say leavers didn't know what they were voting for

 

[nicko31]

We need answers...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1103340634927181824

Really Brexit should be halted until we get to the bottom of things

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Slightly at a tangent here - but I noticed that one of the biggest advocates for a second referendum is Yvette Cooper.

Her Parliamentary constituency,(Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford area) voted by a 69.3% - 30.7% majority to Leave the EU. That's a massive majority.

Chris Failing Grayling (didn't know until today he was born on April 1st) is a Brexiter, yet his constituency of Epsom and Ewell voted 52.1% to remain, and 47.9% Leave.

I thought that MPs were supposed to represent their electorate?

Edmund Burke and the principles of representative democracy; the guiding lights that have helped Westminster to be regarded as the Mother of Parliaments.

Or to put it another way: "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion."

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So you know nothing about the Work-Life Balance Directive and the Transparent and Predictable Working Conditions Directive ? And people say leavers didn't know what they were voting for

Well done, you scored a point. As I said, I'm retired so it doesn't affect me.

 

[pastafarian]

I suddenly have a great deal of sympathy for [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION]

How can you debate with somebody so obtuse.

I can't 'tell you' what 17m people each individually voted for, can I? That is surely plainly obviously to even the biggest simpleton. You were the one claiming to know, not me.

But, just to humour the question:

SOME voted on grounds of removing ourselves from European political influence, mixed with vague ideas of sovereignty, etc. (Not that they actually understood the genuine levels of 'influence' at play.)

SOME voted to end free movement, because they believed that the British worker was at threat from Polish plumbers, etc.

SOME voted to end free movement because they didn't like 'darkies'. We all know that is a nonsense line of thinking, but it happened.

SOME voted out of fear, to keep out the millions of Syrian rapists Farage and the Mail told them about, or a flood of scary Turks who were about be granted free movement.

SOME voted because they gullibly believed the words of a few toffs in suits, who misled them that they /society would benefit financially.

SOME voted because the nasty Spanish are stealing a load of OUR fish.

And an absolute SHITLOAD voted for 'something different' with no understanding of the actual issues, and no care of the consequence.

I hope that helps, a little.

Not surprised you feel close to that waste of space.

You are just parroting the same bigoted uninformed cretinous nonsense he has been spouting throughout the thread because he is too daft to know different.
Welcome to his angry little man club.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

We need answers...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1103340634927181824

Really Brexit should be halted until we get to the bottom of things

Plus this.

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