[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

Barnier....

"NI backstop arrangement can not be extended to the rest of the UK"

That puts the cats amongst the pigeons!!!

The real strong and stable leader/bloody difficult woman has responded:

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[Giraffe]

The real strong and stable leader/bloody difficult woman has responded:

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Come on Arlene.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Well for a start you have 48.1% of people who don't want to leave in the first place. Staying in the Single Market has been a key priority for voters in every poll since the referendum about priorities, including over "lowering immigration" and generally EEA comes out as the most popular choice for "what sort of Leave do you want" in all opinion polling.

Well I've had a little spare time this afternoon and I can't find anything to particularly to back up your statement. I did find the below which is three polls put together about staying in the customs union - neck and neck.

 

[CHAPPERS]

How can you be against the working time directive when there's an opt out?

 

[glasfryn]

You love a bit Tory open warfare

 

[nicko31]

The real strong and stable leader/bloody difficult woman has responded:

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Should be go into Trump mode, and threaten to NUC Ireland?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Well then more fool him, because if Boris had been any sort of statesman he may have been able to convince his party that in order to deliver Brexit the government had to be led by a Brexiteer. Indeed, it was Cameron's reason for resigning in the first place.

The Tories were deluding themselves when they appointed Remainer May to lead Brexit and she compounded that folly by appointing Remainer Hammond as Chancellor.

But Boris' actual beliefs make him no more a 'Brexiteer' than either of them.

It is also true that the single market is of considerable value to many UK companies and consumers, and that leaving would cause at least some business uncertainty, while embroiling the Government for several years in a fiddly process of negotiating new arrangements, so diverting energy from the real problems of this country – low skills, low social mobility, low investment etc – that have nothing to do with Europe

Britain is at risk of losing influence, amongst several disadvantages: First, we wouldn't be able to stick up for what we believe in. Secondly, we would face some penalties.

The choice is really quite simple, in favour of staying. It is in Britain’s geo-strategic interests to be pretty intimately engaged in the doings of a continent that has a grim 20th-century history, and whose agonies have caused millions of Britons to lose their lives.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Well for a start you have 48.1% of people who don't want to leave in the first place. Staying in the Single Market has been a key priority for voters in every poll since the referendum about priorities, including over "lowering immigration" and generally EEA comes out as the most popular choice for "what sort of Leave do you want" in all opinion polling.

Rubbish.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...1][2]=Disagree&groups[1][3]=Strongly+disagree

The staying in the single market and customs union debate has been done to death. Numerous leading players on both side of the referendum debate said a vote to leave would mean exiting these as did the EU. 'Take back control', was/is obviously incomapatible with continued membership of either only the most disengenous undemocratic loon would think otherwise.

In other news the latest YouGov poll gives the Tories a 7 point lead ... extarodinarily thats 20 polls in a row where Labour have had no lead despite the Brexit difficulties and windrush.

to the many Corbyn fanboys revelling in the governments difficulties.

 

[pastafarian]

Which we could do within The EEA as neither Iceland, Norway or Liechtenstein are within the European Customs Union.

In conclusion then, remainers want to stay in The Customs Union





And at the same time remainers want to adopt the Norway model which is not in The Customs Union.
Even though previously they had dismissed the Norway model,as hurting the UK.





Glad thats sorted.
At least remainers realised voting to Leave would mean quitting the single market.

 

[astralavi]

Rubbish.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...1][2]=Disagree&groups[1][3]=Strongly+disagree

The staying in the single market and customs union debate has been done to death. Numerous leading players on both side of the referendum debate said a vote to leave would mean exiting these as did the EU. 'Take back control', was/is obviously incomapatible with continued membership of either only the most disengenous undemocratic loon would think otherwise.

In other news the latest YouGov poll gives the Tories a 7 point lead ... extarodinarily thats 20 polls in a row where Labour have had no lead despite the Brexit difficulties and windrush.

to the many Corbyn fanboys revelling in the governments difficulties.

Here are some leading players

“The EU’s supporters say ‘we must have access to the Single Market’. Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave”. David Davis 2016

Vote Leave, What Happens When We Vote Leave? "There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market”, Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 26 June 2016

"It should be win-win for us and it will be if we vote to leave and we can maintain free trade, stop sending money and also have control of our borders", Michael Gove, BBC, 8 May 2016

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Here are some leading players

“The EU’s supporters say ‘we must have access to the Single Market’. Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave”. David Davis 2016

Vote Leave, What Happens When We Vote Leave? "There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market”, Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 26 June 2016

"It should be win-win for us and it will be if we vote to leave and we can maintain free trade, stop sending money and also have control of our borders", Michael Gove, BBC, 8 May 2016

We will have 'access' to the single market even in a no deal scenario.

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/789551909959045124?lang=en

 

[ManOfSussex]

Here are some leading players

“The EU’s supporters say ‘we must have access to the Single Market’. Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave”. David Davis 2016

Vote Leave, What Happens When We Vote Leave? "There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market”, Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 26 June 2016

"It should be win-win for us and it will be if we vote to leave and we can maintain free trade, stop sending money and also have control of our borders", Michael Gove, BBC, 8 May 2016

This sounds suspiciously like EEA membership but outside the customs union and it was Vote Leave who said it too:

"There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it. We will take back the power to negotiate our own trade deals."

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_newdeal.html

 

[Two Professors]

Anyone resigned today

This one is quite interesting if,like me,you think bankers are even lower down the gene pool than politicians and estate agents:

 

[Two Professors]

Should be go into Trump mode, and threaten to NUC Ireland?

Is that something to do with Auto Traders?

 

[ManOfSussex]

This one is quite interesting if,like me,you think bankers are even lower down the gene pool than politicians and estate agents:

Your MP was hilarious on Twitter earlier by the way.

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[Two Professors]

You seem to be gloating about any negative news to do with German car manufacturers. I guess our weak consumer demand will have some influence

I'm just really concerned about the close to a million British people who are employed in a industrial of manufacturing cars on these shores. Its one of the great British manufacturing success stories of the modern era and I don't want to see it go belly up. If the Brexiteers got their way it would all been gone in a couple of years

With idiots on the Remoan side harping on about turkeys voting for Christmas in Sunderland,and all the negativity you post,it is hardly surprising if somebody gloats about the woes of the German car industry you smarm about.With their problems in the USA,they need all the sales they can get and will put pressure on politicians,believe it or not.

 

[Two Professors]

Your MP was hilarious on Twitter earlier by the way.

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Jezza doesn't seem to rate her!Might be an Independent Labour candidate at next GE,so we might actually see her canvassing.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

To be fair to Jess Phillips she was the MP willing to stab the Dear Leader in the front, not the back and said 'Labour under Corbyn feels like I’ve been locked out of my home'.

 

[Two Professors]

To be fair to Jess Phillips she was the MP willing to stab the Dear Leader in the front, not the back and said 'Labour under Corbyn feels like I’ve been locked out of my home'.

Wonder where she considers home?Doesn't seem to be anywhere in the Midlands!

 

[Pavilionaire]

But Boris' actual beliefs make him no more a 'Brexiteer' than either of them.

Politically Boris nailed his colours to the mast when he led the Leave campaign. He will never been taken seriously as anything other than a Brexiteer.

As for Theresa May, I can't believe she could have been so stupid as to be a Remainer at heart but still take the PM gig and commit her government to a Hard Brexit. To get a Hard Brexit the leader has to be 100% committed to it body and soul and surround herself with like-minded people. She does not believe in a Hard Brexit but is not intelligent enough to see that there are some very nasty short-term consequences with a Hard Brexit. And losing her majority in parliament has shattered what confidence she had.

The current Tory infighting is absolutely obscene, but this shit will go on until at least October and the EU Summit. There will be No Deal and at that point will Theresa May really be able to carry on?