It was an election, not a referendum. Two different things. Though, guessing by what you said, you're cool with voting fraud even where the Austrian Constitutional Court found clear proof of the electoral laws being broken. But hey, that's democracy, one side wins, the other has to shut up, yeah?
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Italian Constitutional Election - Dec 4th. Potentially another BREXIT/Trump moment?
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It was an election, not a referendum. Two different things. Though, guessing by what you said, you're cool with voting fraud even where the Austrian Constitutional Court found clear proof of the electoral laws being broken. But hey, that's democracy, one side wins, the other has to shut up, yeah?
larus
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Yes they are very different, and elections aren't such a major impact as referendum/constitutional changes. I agree about democracy, and the Brexit vote should be seen as the democratic choice of the country.
However, what (may) irritate a number of Brexit voters are things such as:
1. Demands for another referendum.
2. The Lib Dems suggesting that a vote at a parliamentary election (which covers a multitude of areas) can possibly be viewed as a mandate to reverse/not implement the Brexit vote.
3. The suggestion that swathes of people have changed their minds since the vote. Polls don't show this.
4. Trying to have parliament agree what Brexit means BEFORE negotiations. This is actually an insane policy as the other side knows what we want so plays hard-ball. Parliament should debate the outcome of the negotiations, but if we can't agree a sensible deal, then it's Hard Brexit and WTO rules.
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nicko31
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The Lib Dems are probably the only united party right now, with the Tories hjacked by UKIP and Labour in civil war. They would definitely win quite a few seats off the Tories if there was an election tomorrow, the only party that represents the forgotten 48% right now.
larus
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Yeah, all 8 of them. Oh sorry, they'll need another minibus now as there's 9 of them. Christ, they couldn't even get a footie team together. In terms of popular vote they are behind UKIP.
As for Tories being hijacked by UKIP - FFS, there has always been a sceptical side and a Europhile side to the Tories so you're talking complete garbage.
I do agree that Labour are in civil war and are, IMO, too inward looking. If militant get more control, then the days of a serious Labour challenge to the Tories are over, and that is bad news for democracy.
brakespear
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I'm not sure what's undemocratic about it - surely the fact that they can take an opposite position to that of a slight majority is evidence of democracy in action?
studio150
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A deep knowledge of the seating capacity of minibuses is displayed. Have I missed an EU Directive reducing the size of Minibuses to that of MPVs?
East Preston Gull
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The EU is dead, long live Europe!!
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Two Professors
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Only if they are manufactured in one of the 132 countries the EU has an embargo with?
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Lib Dems want an open tolerant society, sounds fair doesn't it. What they really mean is they love open door mass immigration, so just like Labour, it seems the Lib Dems have learned nothing from the last election.
The Lib Dems will not be running this country, and the more times people like Farron keep opening their mouths asking for a 2nd referendum the more annoyed people will get with them and their party.
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Green Cross Code Man
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Don't you think it's just a tiny bit undemocratic to hold a referendum and then when the result isn't the one you wanted, try to have another in order to achieve the 'right' result.
larus
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I direct you to http://www.minibus.ltd.uk/minibus-dimensions-web10.html , as this is a 9 seater minibus, with 1 of those seats being occupied by the driver. but, I guess Tim 'Mr Nobody Knows Me' Fallon could multi-task and drive as well and keep costs down.
Pavilionaire
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It's FaRRon you tw*t!
Problem is the driver has complete control of a trip she didn't want to go on in the first place. Hope the minibus has power steering,ABS and excellent tyres in case of skidding. Air Bags may be useful too in case it hits a wall.
Austrian Gull
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It is felt that Farage's comments about the Freedom Party's candidate wanting a referendum on "Öxit" did the other side a lot of good
To clear up a few things on this thread, the original election was cancelled because of electoral irregularities. It was not shown that either side benefitted from any wrong-doings - it was more of a case of typical Austrian "Schlampigkeit" from the electoral commission (cutting corners, not following rules and regulations). The Freedom Party lost by about 1% to the Green candidate and appealed against the result.
The election was then due to take place in September but the glue on the envelopes didn't stick properly!
larus
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From BBC.
Unicredit shares suspended
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13:41
Trading in Unicredit shares has been suspended after the bank's stock fell by more than 5%.
Shares in Italian banks have slumped after Prime Minister Matteo Renzi's resignation yesterday, which some fear will make it harder for lenders to resolve their bad debts.
Kathleen Brooks of City Index says: "We've seen very volatile trading in Italian bank stocks this morning. Shares rallied but then reversed those gains, and Unicredit has dropped by more than 5% which caused it's circuit breakers to kick in. Trading will probably be suspended for the next few hours."
Unicredit shares suspended
Posted at
13:41
Trading in Unicredit shares has been suspended after the bank's stock fell by more than 5%.
Shares in Italian banks have slumped after Prime Minister Matteo Renzi's resignation yesterday, which some fear will make it harder for lenders to resolve their bad debts.
Kathleen Brooks of City Index says: "We've seen very volatile trading in Italian bank stocks this morning. Shares rallied but then reversed those gains, and Unicredit has dropped by more than 5% which caused it's circuit breakers to kick in. Trading will probably be suspended for the next few hours."
Pavilionaire
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See, that just proves my point. Tim 'Mr Nobody Knows Me' Fallon/Farron. Reality is, who frigging cares?
The people who care are the people who read and research the issues and would therefore be aware of how to spell his fricking name!
larus
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But I don't care about the Lib Dems. That's the whole point - I think they have become an irrelevance in British politics. The purpose of referring to him/Lib Dems was in relation to another poster saying that the Lib Dems would be targeting Remainers and this would be a concern to the Tories. Hence my reference to the minibus and the 9 (wow) Lib Dems. So, if I got his name wrong, I don't really care. I can't be bothered to spend time on the Lib Dems as they don't fringing matter. They won a seat in an area which was one of the highest Remain voting constituencies in the country, and they made it a single policy vote there. That won't work in a general election when the voters will be focussed on who runs the country.
SO, the Lib Dems - UKIP has more popular support than them.
portslade seagull
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Lib Dems absolute waste of time.
See, that just proves my point. Tim 'Mr Nobody Knows Me' Fallon/Farron. Reality is, who frigging cares?
I thought it was Tom Fullon.