[Politics] Brexit

[Soulman]

No -the good news is that you Leavers will benefit from immigration, just like the rest of us! And remember, the correct figure for net EU migration is 185k, not 330k. Just another little "error" which the Brexit camp like to make. Non-EU migration to the UK has ALWAYS been higher than EU migration.

So you think that 330,000 NET, the population size of Coventry and bigger than Brighton and Hove year on year, whether EU or Non EU is ok then.

 

[GT49er]

That's the problem with the Brexit camp - fixated about immigration, and sod the consequences

Sorry, what have visas to visit France got to do with immigration?

Oh, sorry, I forgot that 'the leave campaign is just about immigration' is the standard remain answer to everything when they're foxed for a proper answer. If, in the unlikely event that you have to apply for a visa, you'll just have to add that minor task to getting a passport, booking your flight/ Eurostar, arranging transport to the airport or St. Pancras, booking hotels at the other end, arranging travel insurance, etc. - oh, it's going to be tough........

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Are you sure he'd be in the Leave camp? I know you like claim every square inch of the high ground for Brexit but consider...

"We have Britain's membership of the EU to thank not just for steps forward in disabled people's rights and opportunities, but also in relation to the prohibition of age discrimination, maternity rights, equal pay and ensuring our safety at work, We are all better protected and our lives made better by the EU's laws and regulations.

"What the Leave campaign promises is a bonfire of these hard-won rights, unravelling decades of progress that would not have been made were it not for Britain's membership of the European Union."

Four signatories to a letter to The Times this morning, including Baroness Grey-Thompson.

Since the last European referendum we have had governments of various colours, including almost a quarter of a century of Conservative-led administrations. I for one don't think progress have been the same without our membership of the EU. Perhaps Mr Corbyn feels the same.

Yes, I base this opinion on his voting record in parliament which would put any Eurosceptic Tory to shame plus his voting against staying in the EC last referendum. My view is he grudgingly changed because he was fighting on so many fronts within the Labour party this was one battle too far.

 

[nicko31]

I realise it was a sweeping statement - apologies - but tbh every time I turn on the radio or tv, all I hear is Boris or Farage moaning on about immigrants. I have always been marginally pro-EU, but the past month or so has turned me into a 110% Europhile, because I am absolutely fed up of all the anti-immigrant stuff. If the debate had been more focussed on the real problems with the EU I might have been wavering....

Been saying to myself for months that this referendum is pointless, but getting rid of Gove, Farage and Boris could be a real result.

 

[Soulman]

I realise it was a sweeping statement - apologies - but tbh every time I turn on the radio or tv, all I hear is Boris or Farage moaning on about immigrants. I have always been marginally pro-EU, but the past month or so has turned me into a 110% Europhile, because I am absolutely fed up of all the anti-immigrant stuff. If the debate had been more focussed on the real problems with the EU I might have been wavering....

Fair enough. Shame that the bigger picture is not projected.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I think the general view is that the EU represents almost half of our export market, and that the risk of tariff imposition is going to be costly. We will still be free to trade with the EU, but there will be tariffs, and we will still have to adhere to all their rules. It's a lose/lose scenario.

And the UK would represent the EU's biggest single trading partner so it is in our mutual benefit to limit tariffs. We already comply with all current rules, we get to make a decision if we want to comply with future rulings rather than having them enforced against our interests through QMV. It's a win win scenario

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Been saying to myself for months that this referendum is pointless, but getting rid of Gove, Farage and Boris could be a real result.

To think it was just Farage a year or two ago....must be a feeling gathering momentum.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Fair enough. Shame that the bigger picture is not projected.

If it was everybody would be voting leave...

 

[Jim in the West]

So you think that 330,000 NET, the population size of Coventry and bigger than Brighton and Hove year on year, whether EU or Non EU is ok then.

No - I'm just pointing out that leaving the EU will not solve the problem, and the Brexit camp seem to be playing with numbers a bit!

 

[The Rivet]

Plane queues - best reason to vote leave I've heard yet.

And one so trite that it amounts to the same substance as your monicka, Washy and a bit like jizz. No substance except for energetic tail wagging.

 

[Soulman]

No - I'm just pointing out that leaving the EU will not solve the problem, and the Brexit camp seem to be playing with numbers a bit!

I don't think it is so much the Leave campaign, i think that most of the media just portray that point, over and over again..... nice ploy to get the feed back of the usual crds and phrases that are used.
When was the last time you saw other issues of the Leave campaign mentioned in the news?

 

[The Rivet]

Are you sure he'd be in the Leave camp? I know you like claim every square inch of the high ground for Brexit but consider...

"We have Britain's membership of the EU to thank not just for steps forward in disabled people's rights and opportunities, but also in relation to the prohibition of age discrimination, maternity rights, equal pay and ensuring our safety at work, We are all better protected and our lives made better by the EU's laws and regulations.

"What the Leave campaign promises is a bonfire of these hard-won rights, unravelling decades of progress that would not have been made were it not for Britain's membership of the European Union."

Four signatories to a letter to The Times this morning, including Baroness Grey-Thompson.

Since the last European referendum we have had governments of various colours, including almost a quarter of a century of Conservative-led administrations. I for one don't think progress have been the same without our membership of the EU. Perhaps Mr Corbyn feels the same.

Do you have a disabled person in your household that you deal with 24/7 along with the red tape?

 

[beorhthelm]

You can only use that argument if you can say exactly what those deals would be. What would each trade deal look like compared with through the EU?
Without that all you are saying is "we COULD get better deals" which is not the same as showing you WILL.

alas i cannot offer absolutes as i do not have a crystal ball. can you be absolutly sure everything will be positive in the EU for the future? there will be no costly regulation or laws, no taxes, levies or contributions required of membership in the next decade? Cameron asked and couldnt even get them to agree to an opt out on Eurozone regulation affecting non-eurozone nations.

 

[Jim in the West]

Sorry, what have visas to visit France got to do with immigration?

Oh, sorry, I forgot that 'the leave campaign is just about immigration' is the standard remain answer to everything when they're foxed for a proper answer. If, in the unlikely event that you have to apply for a visa, you'll just have to add that minor task to getting a passport, booking your flight/ Eurostar, arranging transport to the airport or St. Pancras, booking hotels at the other end, arranging travel insurance, etc. - oh, it's going to be tough........

I wasn't foxed! If we leave and don't agree to free movement of people, then there will be myriad downsides. One of them (I admit it is relatively small) is that you may well need a visa to go on holiday in the EU. A much bigger issue will be the need for a visa to work in the EU. But these pale into insignificance compared to the economic risks that we'd be taking.

However, I actually believe that if we DID vote Leave we would end up doing a deal similar to Norway's, which would include free movement of people. This would obviously dismay Farage and his cronies, but would be the sensible compromise, and preserve our tariff-free access to the EU market.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I wasn't foxed! If we leave and don't agree to free movement of people, then there will be myriad downsides. One of them (I admit it is relatively small) is that you may well need a visa to go on holiday in the EU. A much bigger issue will be the need for a visa to work in the EU. But these pale into insignificance compared to the economic risks that we'd be taking.

However, I actually believe that if we DID vote Leave we would end up doing a deal similar to Norway's, which would include free movement of people. This would obviously dismay Farage and his cronies, but would be the sensible compromise, and preserve our tariff-free access to the EU market.

Does this include the £100Billion trade deficit the EU has with the UK?

 

[Bladders]

Corbyn is the Labour leader. If he changes his mind then so be it. The best leaders adapt. Promising signs for Labour supporters

You should have your own NSC GOLD section

 

[Bladders]

I wasn't foxed! If we leave and don't agree to free movement of people, then there will be myriad downsides. One of them (I admit it is relatively small) is that you may well need a visa to go on holiday in the EU. A much bigger issue will be the need for a visa to work in the EU. But these pale into insignificance compared to the economic risks that we'd be taking.

However, I actually believe that if we DID vote Leave we would end up doing a deal similar to Norway's, which would include free movement of people. This would obviously dismay Farage and his cronies, but would be the sensible compromise, and preserve our tariff-free access to the EU market.

No it wouldn't.

 

[GT49er]

I wasn't foxed! If we leave and don't agree to free movement of people, then there will be myriad downsides. One of them (I admit it is relatively small) is that you may well need a visa to go on holiday in the EU. A much bigger issue will be the need for a visa to work in the EU. But these pale into insignificance compared to the economic risks that we'd be taking.

Economic risk? Yeh, maybe a blip - but compare that to the risk of staying semi-attached to the train-crash to come that is the Euro, countries to bale out. OK, you think one's a bigger risk, I think the other. We won't ever agree. However, I believe the other positives of Brexit (being free to make our own laws, not under the heel of Brussels, trading with who we want, freeing ourselves from the ever present menace of a United States of Europe - and, yes, that's what they're after) are enough reason to leave. Plus the fact that we might be the start of a domino effect, which is why all the vested interests are pulling out all the lies - sorry, stops - to scare the masses into voting to stay.
If leaving upsets the fat cats on the Brussels gravy train, those in the Westminster bubble, and the city bankers ... .... ... ... so be it. Fine by me!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Do you have a disabled person in your household that you deal with 24/7 along with the red tape?

I don't have a disabled person in my household but the baroness would have more experience of disabled people's lives than most of us. What's your point?

 

[Soulman]

Fishing for Leave is an independent campaign set up by people in the fishing industry for the fishing industry.

Fishing for Leaves Objectives are:

To Campaign Vociferously for British Withdrawal from the European Union to allow the restoration of sovereignty to the British Parliament and with that national control over the 200nm limit and all waters and resources therein.
To raise public awareness of the surrender of a valuable national resource and the ensuing decimation and plight wrought upon British fishing and dependant coastal communities.
To ensure in the event of a leave vote that, in the ensuing British withdrawal malevolent interests are held to account, and not One Ton of British fish is bartered away in the extrication process.
Therefore we aim to organise and mobilise the industry to campaign by all means available and necessary to further the above.

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