Hillsborough - BBC2

[Bozza]

Was anyone here at the fa cup game at Peterborough in 85/86? It's the only time at a football match where I genuinely felt that there was a risk of injury or worse to myself and those around me. It was seriously overcrowded behind that goal and when we scored, my feet didn't touch the ground for about a minute

Wasn't that the free red scarf on the football special train day? Snow. Should never have been played. Ball hit a mound of ice and bounced over Digweed? We got a replay?

 

[Bozza]

Was anyone here at the fa cup game at Peterborough in 85/86? It's the only time at a football match where I genuinely felt that there was a risk of injury or worse to myself and those around me. It was seriously overcrowded behind that goal and when we scored, my feet didn't touch the ground for about a minute

This one. Look at it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEcTp_Nhac#t=47

Anyway - yes - I was there!

 

[Boro5707]

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLnkc0rlH3w

Just after Hilsborough, Leeds fans at Boro. We have been close to a disaster a few times around the dame period and early 90's.

 

[edna krabappel]

It was the Sun, Edna, and there wss a fair few jokes of a particularly sick kind of humour, knocking about just after it

Well that happens at the first hint of any sort of tragedy, whether on a large or small scale. It's what Sickipedia is built on. I remember all sorts of jokes being made when I was at school about the Challenger shuttle disaster, about Chernobyl, about the assassination of Indira Gandhi and all sorts.

(not saying it's right, but it happens in every situation).

 

[ExmouthExile]

Wasn't that the free red scarf on the football special train day? Snow. Should never have been played. Ball hit a mound of ice and bounced over Digweed? We got a replay?

Yep, that was the one, we got the free red scarf on the coaches as well. That game would never go ahead in those conditions these days. I think the official capacity of that ground back then was about 15,500 yet there were 6,500+ Brighton just behind that goal and it wasn't that big.

 

[Wilko]

Remember when the Sun (pretty sure it was The Sun, was certainly one of the tabloids) published those close-up photographs of the victims being crushed up against the fencing, their agony visible in excruciating detail for every reader to see? Must have been in the days immediately after the disaster.

Those pictures are on google if you search for Hillsbrough disaster, I know that is an odd thing to do and you probably do not want to but I was looking through them out of some morbid curiosity, there is one or two in there that are particularly terrifying.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Was anyone here at the fa cup game at Peterborough in 85/86? It's the only time at a football match where I genuinely felt that there was a risk of injury or worse to myself and those around me. It was seriously overcrowded behind that goal and when we scored, my feet didn't touch the ground for about a minute

Yes, I was there and I agree. We drove up, got to the ground at about 2.15 and we struggled to get in then, but more and more fans came in behind us. It was extremely unpleasant and the only time that I have not really been able to control where I stood. You just had to go where the crowd moved you to.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

I would also like the Government to ban all Police Officers from the Freemasons.
An open invite to corruption ,if ever there was one

Not sure how many there would be left if you did that, particularly in the Met. However, if they were the one's that I have come across they would not be missed.

 

[Brovion]

Remember when the Sun (pretty sure it was The Sun, was certainly one of the tabloids) published those close-up photographs of the victims being crushed up against the fencing, their agony visible in excruciating detail for every reader to see? Must have been in the days immediately after the disaster.

I think it was the Mirror, but I could be wrong. They were at least trying to concentrate on the human tragedy element, the Sun of course had a different agenda.

And yes, they were possibly the worst photos I've ever seen in a national newspaper. Those people saying they were 'shocked' by the blurred, censored and washed-out images shown on the programme - well, think yourselves lucky you didn't see the originals.

Anyway, brilliant programme. I felt quite sorry for the ordinary coppers who unwittingly became part of the cover-up.

 

[ROSM]

You can fully understand why this documentary couldn't be shown during the inquests - What we say in one evening, the jury had to see over and over again over 2 years as south Yorkshire Police barristers and those representing David Duckenfield tried so hard to keep bringing the blame back to the fans

 

[carlzeiss]

Couldn't watch the Documentary as brings back difficult memories of the Spurs home fixture 78 .
I was pulled out of the North Stand onto the pitch and wouldn't be here now if fences were in place then .
Fences were though installed for the next Home game ( Millwall ) to prevent further pitch invasions .
After that learned to always stand at the back .

 

[Durlston]

It should also be noted that Liverpool at the time had 45000 fans going to Anfield whilst Forest had 22000...... The main end (Wednesday's Kop end) held 25000 and the Leppings end held 16000...... so which end would you give the biggest supported team.

And that was the biggest balls up which could have been prevented weeks in advance.

 

[Durlston]

Those pictures are on google if you search for Hillsbrough disaster, I know that is an odd thing to do and you probably do not want to but I was looking through them out of some morbid curiosity, there is one or two in there that are particularly terrifying.

Never. I'd rather lick piss off stinging nettles than see those pictures. The Hillsborough book tells a few harrowing details including victim's vomiting and eyes that came out of their sockets due to crushing. That for me told me just a bit that the hell they must have gone through.

 

[Wilko]

Never. I'd rather lick piss off stinging nettles than see those pictures. The Hillsborough book tells a few harrowing details including victim's vomiting and eyes that came out of their sockets due to crushing. That for me told me just a bit that the hell they must have gone through.

Indeed. I remember reading that some had vomited, urinated or soiled themselves due to crushing. The police then used this as evidence of being drunken youths and blaming the alcohol. Heartbreaking.

 

[Simster]

im not 100% on this but the year before liverpool were given the kop end against the same team i think.

No mate, they weren't. They got the Leppings Lane end both times.

 

[spring hall convert]

It makes you wonder when a tragedy that happened in plain sight of thousands of eye witnesses can be covered up for 27 years, what else the establishment has closed ranks on. Scary.

 

[Geestar]

Good doco.

 

[edna krabappel]

Yes David Mole did he 88 semi final. But had only been in charge since 1985. He wasn't in charge for the 81 semi when similar incidents occurred.

Its such a shame Mole was consulted. He had precautions for fans in place up to half a mile away in 88

Brian Mole.

 

[Bwian]

You can fully understand why this documentary couldn't be shown during the inquests - What we say in one evening, the jury had to see over and over again over 2 years as south Yorkshire Police barristers and those representing David Duckenfield tried so hard to keep bringing the blame back to the fans

And the 2 police forces kept their lies in the public eye for 27 years-right up until the Warrington verdict, continuing to blame the supporters. The Sun played its part, as did Thatcher and Ingham. All protecting the police as reward for their actions during the miner's strike.Thankfully it now looks like those actions might now be investigated.

So it wasn't 'self pity city' after all? Some of us knew that all along, others on here chose to continue to blame the fans and defend the wrong doers simply because they never looked at the true facts for themselves. And incredibly some are still doing it.

The City of Liverpool should erect a statue to Prof Philip Scaton and the rest of us should thank him too. He has exposed how far the police force is willing to go to cover up in trying to defend itself.

The police should never be allowed to investigate itself again-they simply cannot be trusted.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think it was the Mirror, but I could be wrong. They were at least trying to concentrate on the human tragedy element, the Sun of course had a different agenda.

And yes, they were possibly the worst photos I've ever seen in a national newspaper. Those people saying they were 'shocked' by the blurred, censored and washed-out images shown on the programme - well, think yourselves lucky you didn't see the originals.

Anyway, brilliant programme. I felt quite sorry for the ordinary coppers who unwittingly became part of the cover-up.

I felt sorry for the ordinary coppers too. The poor chap who had a nervous breakdown soon after, was very honest about what happened to him. His life was ruined because of the lies.