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The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
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Chandlers Ford
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If that poor kitten has any sense at all, it will get rid of the outfit quick, before the honourable member for Witney, tries to stick his, umm, honourable member in its mouth.
 




JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
JC has opinions some I agree with some I don't, what I don't want is a Prime Minister preaching to me and you that we should not be evading/aoiding tax, being all in this together, when the slippery sod is doing exactly the opposite.
Jc is at least honest about his beliefs even if you or I disagree with them, and he is not telling you or me that we must do what he says for the good of the country.
morals DC does not know the meaning of the word
he has to go

I agree the PM should be rightly viewed as hypocritical because of his past condemnation of others making use of similar offshore companies for personal gain. But morality applies to more than just hypocrisy or greed.

If any of the decent members both within and outside the Labour party and their voters/supporters can excuse or ignore the past association of Corbyn and some of the individuals he appointed with a terrorist organisation while they were killing British civilians and soldiers .... plus excuse and ignore sharing platforms with 'friends' who are rabid anti semites committed to the destruction of Israel then their moral values are best described as highly suspect. Which weakens any rightful criticisms they seek to make now and suggests it's more about scoring party political points than morality.

You can't have it both ways if you really think Cameron has to go for past misjudgments so do Corbyn and McDonnell.
 




mona

The Glory Game
Jul 9, 2003
5,470
High up on the South Downs.
Capitalism is clearly failing I wonder if we will see it collapse in our lifetime what will fill the void?

Whatever it is I can only hope it's a more fare system maybe time for something completely different

Feudalism, salafist Islam, Christian theocracy, fascist absolutism and centralized communism all have their advocates I believe.
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
I agree the PM should be rightly viewed as hypocritical because of his past condemnation of others making use of similar offshore companies for personal gain. But morality applies to more than just hypocrisy or greed.

If any of the decent members both within and outside the Labour party and their voters/supporters can excuse or ignore the past association of Corbyn and some of the individuals he appointed with a terrorist organisation while they were killing British civilians and soldiers .... plus excuse and ignore sharing platforms with 'friends' who are rabid anti semites committed to the destruction of Israel then their moral values are best described as highly suspect. Which weakens any rightful criticisms they seek to make now and suggests it's more about scoring party political points than morality.

You can't have it both ways if you really think Cameron has to go for past misjudgments so do Corbyn and McDonnell.

you are missing the point
Corbyn ,McDonnell have opinions,friends thats their perogative(oh and by the way the queen has shook hands talked to and even smiled with the same sort of people does that make her highly suspect then) the difference being cameron's morality has come into question, he is slippery to the core,I have always know this(you will note on most of my posts about him,bye dave :bigwave:) I have no doubt if someone else had been at the helm who was creditworthy my posts would have been far less, this even incudes Boris who at last is talking sense and another 4 years of him would be just about palletable
 




JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
you are missing the point
Corbyn ,McDonnell have opinions,friends thats their perogative(oh and by the way the queen has shook hands talked to and even smiled with the same sort of people does that make her highly suspect then) the difference being cameron's morality has come into question, he is slippery to the core,I have always know this(you will note on most of my posts about him,bye dave :bigwave:) I have no doubt if someone else had been at the helm who was creditworthy my posts would have been far less, this even incudes Boris who at last is talking sense and another 4 years of him would be just about palletable

Corbyn and McDonnell are odious far left ideologues who happily associated with enemies of this country while their armed comrades were killing UK citizens. The fact you see no moral problem here does you no credit. Anyone who votes for or supports them has no right to criticize anyone else's morality.
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
Corbyn and McDonnell are odious far left ideologues who happily associated with enemies of this country while their armed comrades were killing UK citizens. The fact you see no moral problem here does you no credit. Anyone who votes for or supports them has no right to criticize anyone else's morality.

pity all those who supported Edward 8th were not so fussy either
depends what you find odious
and there we will have to agree to disagree
opinions will always differ

edit..........just a quick thought do you think the queen odious as some of the IRA are still killing yet there she is shaking hands with them
 
















beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,399
Obviously not, but the recovery promised by George via his program of ruthless austerity doesn't seem to have resolved the issue, either.

if we'd had some ruthless austerity, we might have had more of a recovery. as it is we've had some belt tightening and we'll never know.
 






severnside gull

Well-known member
May 16, 2007
24,543
By the seaside in West Somerset
What uk taxes has he failed to pay. He paid income tax on the share dividend and the profit when selling was below the capital gains threshold

The whole purpose/intent of setting up a fund offshore is to garner improved tax breaks whether they accrue to the individual investor or more usually to the fund and are passed on to the investor. That is the arrogance and the hypocrisy of Cameron and his ilk, not whether they actually succeeded in scamming a profit from it or not. They have consistently and very publicly vilified others for doing exactly what they have been doing themselves and kept secret.
 




DataPoint

Well-known member
Mar 31, 2015
432
If a tax avoider pays £200,000 a year tax from an income of £2,000,000 - 10% - instead of £1,200,000 - 60% ....... Should we tell them to piss off to another country? We don't like pigs like you! We are a socialist based country - we'll just get a thousand 'little people' to pay £200 more to make up for the shortfall?

Oh! - and by the way - don't worry about any of the £1,800,000 you spend in the British economy - we'll just borrow that!
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,399
The whole purpose/intent of setting up a fund offshore is to garner improved tax breaks whether they accrue to the individual investor or more usually to the fund and are passed on to the investor..

there are a range of other reasons apparently, in particular for investments in companies using $. they said on the radio this particular company was registered with HMRC and listed on stock market so paid reported and taxed as if it was a company here. end of the day, stupidity of maintaining privacy when living in the public eye has blown this out of proportion.
 




Technohead

Active member
Aug 10, 2013
192
Burgess Hill
Yes. He had a small amount of money to invest. He bough some units in his father's investment fund . He sold them later. He paid UK tax on the proceeds. Seems moral enough to me.

As somebody who, on here, would be classed as a hard left, red flag waving, Trotsky loving socialist I actually I agree with you. But we live in an age where whats right or wrong is whats spin the media put on it. And it looks like the media have got it in for Cameron, and I for one am quite enjoying it. Makes a change for the boot to be on the other foot.
 


KingKev

Well-known member
Jun 16, 2011
867
Hove (actually)
As a stickler for moral probity how would you view someone who invited terrorist representatives to the house of commons shortly after they tried to blow up the government in a seaside hotel?

Or someone that called members of a rabidly anti semitic terrorist organisation friends?

Or personally made a donation to a 'charitable' fund set up by a holocaust denier?
They may be very many things, but "anti-Semitic"? That's very unlikely for the majority of them surely?
 


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