Has Cameron blown it with the EU negotiations ?

[happypig]

He's heading back in tonight or more talks but my gut feeling is he's not going to get an agreement. If that's the case he's a dead man walking isn't he ?

 

[The Rivet]

Yes

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

He will get an agreement, not that it will be worth anything.

 

[Soulman]

He tried, will probably fail on what little he was after, we now know, if as suspected, and have proof that other EU members will probably not budge now or much in the future.
A wake up call.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

He's been too pig-headed and now he's blown it.

Arf arf.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The Greeks seem to be exploiting the negotiations to get concessions on migrants and it's being reported by the BBC that Michael Gove is declaring for the out camp.

Not going well for DC.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No. He will get a deal. But it won't suit folk who want out, or folk who want a different kind of arrangement for entry and entitlements. So he'll front up a 'vote yes' campaign with lots of his own party campaigning against him. In other words, a fiasco. What was he thinking?

 

[WhingForPresident]

Complete and utter balls up.

 

[cybrooksy]

Makes no odds. The Establishment will not countenance the UK voting to leave - so we'll be staying in, by hook or by crook.

 

[seagullwedgee]

Whether he gets an agreement or not, and whether he gets party backing or not, I honestly think there are signs that public opinion is beginning to sway heavily towards LEAVE, with immigration being th issue that trumps anything to do with trade. People understand the immigration problem, and realise something really needs to be done to make it fair and sustainable. But people don't understand the trade issue, and I think that camp will have a devil of a job tying to explain the benefit, such that it overcomes the immigration control issue.

Me personally? Leave. No brainer. Get control back, still trade with whoever and whenever we want. And cheaper too.

 

[gregbrighton]

He's a complete failure.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I don't understand Cameron's actions:

1. He was never going to get the deal he wanted.
2. He is pushing away pro-Europeans, this is not the way business gets done in the EU, he's making the UK a laughing stock.
3. He's not going far enough to appease Eurosceptics.
4. I'm really left wondering whether anyone apart from David Cameron thinks he's doing the right thing.

If there were anyone half decent in the Tory ranks he'd be in big big trouble. Lucky for him his main rivals are tossers and buffoons.

 

[ROSM]

He screwed up the Scottish referendum by allowing a nigh on two year campaign. In this one he he is trying to go for a quicker campaign but without the likelihood of a very different model.

He would have been better to go for an in or out, quickly, with what was on the table originally

 

[sparkie]

Completely failed.

Will have to resign on Monday.

 

[happypig]

Lucky for him his main rivals are tossers and buffoons.

Many of whom will be jockeying for position if Dave comes back and says "Back me or sack me".

It's entirely possible that the tories could be torn apart by this issue.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Whether he gets an agreement or not, and whether he gets party backing or not, I honestly think there are signs that public opinion is beginning to sway heavily towards LEAVE, with immigration being th issue that trumps anything to do with trade. People understand the immigration problem, and realise something really needs to be done to make it fair and sustainable. But people don't understand the trade issue, and I think that camp will have a devil of a job tying to explain the benefit, such that it overcomes the immigration control issue.

Me personally? Leave. No brainer. Get control back, still trade with whoever and whenever we want. And cheaper too.

Michael Gove has just 'come out' as a 'leave' campaigner. That should put a stop to the 'heavy sway' to leave momentum. All we need now is Jezza to 'oppose' Cameron's call to stay in, and there will be a heavy sway of total confusion and uncertainty about the issue. Hang on . . .

 

[Pavilionaire]

Many of whom will be jockeying for position if Dave comes back and says "Back me or sack me".

It's entirely possible that the tories could be torn apart by this issue.

I think if they're not already they will be within days. I've never known a time in politics when all 3 parties are in meltdown. The Lib Dems of 7 or 8 years ago would have been all over Cameron and Corbyn, it is a crying shame that there was such an over- reaction to the u-turn on tuition fees.

A decent Lib Dem party keeps both of the other two on their toes, what we have now is a political vacuum.

 

[Suomi Hypoxia]

No. He will get a deal. But it won't suit folk who want out, or folk who want a different kind of arrangement for entry and entitlements. So he'll front up a 'vote yes' campaign with lots of his own party campaigning against him. In other words, a fiasco. What was he thinking?

Cameron was thinking Ed Milliband was going to win the election and he wouldn't be having to fulfill his referendum promise.

 

[sparkie]

Cameron was thinking Ed Milliband was going to win the election and he wouldn't be having to fulfill his referendum promise.

I think Dopey Dave thought he'd be in coalition so could drop a referendum as part of the coalition compromise.

 

[Hamilton]

He's heading back in tonight or more talks but my gut feeling is he's not going to get an agreement. If that's the case he's a dead man walking isn't he ?

If that's the case, we're in for a rocky ride.

Still, Trump will have fired a nuke off by next spring so none of it will matter anyhow.