Junior Doctors Strike

[Gabbafella]

Don't like your working conditions or your salary then find a new job. It's that simple.

 

[Albumen]

Don't like your working conditions or your salary then find a new job. It's that simple.

Superbly simple. The NHS would be empty.

 

[Randsta]

Yes I support them they do a great job with very little reward!!!

 

[beorhthelm]

didn't Hunt use a report which reported on deaths on Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon when moralising over a 7 day NHS? He conveniently lopped off the Mon/Fri so his stats related purely to the weekend.

there is supposed to be statistical evidence that those admitted to hospital on weekends have poorer clinical outcomes, includeing a 15% increase in mortality. the implication is that as there are fewer doctors you dont receive as good a cover so initial triage or treatment might not go as well as it could. in those stats there's a myriad of complex issues, not least the type of admissions at the weekend being different.

the funny thing is, when the 7 day a week NHS originally came up, i think it was on about GPs and other peripheral parts of healthcare, not hospitals necessarily. that seems to have been completely missed in this change.

 

[Ernest]

Don't like your working conditions or your salary then find a new job. It's that simple.

Good thinking, let's hope you don't get ill then

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Chances are someone will die because of this, so No.

 

[Indurain's Lungs]

Chances are someone will die because of this, so No.

It appears not

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-raj-persaud/when-doctors-go-on-strike_b_1513689.html

 

[Braggfan]

Don't like your working conditions or your salary then find a new job. It's that simple.

That certainly is "simple"

 

[Gabbafella]

I was ill a few years back and the NHS was a joke from start to finish, but what has that got to do with anything?
If I don't like my working environment then I move on to somewhere potentially better, doctors are free to do the same.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I've just done a Tax Return for a NHS consultant doctor and their gross taxable income was £105K for the second year in a row, about a quarter of which is from private work. That person is by no means working every hour God sends either.

So while I sympathise with the plight of junior doctors I'm also mindful that once you make it to consultant you've got guaranteed big money for 25-30 years.

 

[Indurain's Lungs]

I was ill a few years back and the NHS was a joke from start to finish, but what has that got to do with anything?
If I don't like my working environment then I move on to somewhere potentially better, doctors are free to do the same.

Actually, bar leaving the NHS completely, doctors are not free to move. If you want to continue training you have to be within a GMC approved training scheme - there is only one provider of these open to you - all operating under the same pay structure and T&Cs. The deaneries that run the training schemes can place the trainee at any of the hospitals within their scheme and move you every 6 months without the trainee having any say in where they are sent. Bear in mind this can often last from graduation until your 40s.

 

[jackanada]

Don't like your working conditions or your salary then find a new job. It's that simple.

Of course! There is no need for unions to fight to protect workers rights and conditions because we live in an era of full employment.

 

[jackanada]

Chances are someone will die because of this, so No.

The reduction in staffing is broadly equivalent to that caused by the extra public holiday for the royal wedding. Don't recall quite the same melodrama from the neo liberal nutjobs then.

 

[El Presidente]

Don't like your working conditions or your salary then find a new job. It's that simple.

Well said, there are two million on the dole who would love to take over those jobs.

All you need is a white coat and a box set of Grey's Anatomy, and, hey presto, problem solved.

 

[El Presidente]

So while I sympathise with the plight of junior doctors I'm also mindful that once you make it to consultant you've got guaranteed big money for 25-30 years.

Thoroughly deserved too IMO.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Well said, there are two million on the dole who would love to take over those jobs.

All you need is a white coat and a box set of Grey's Anatomy, and, hey presto, problem solved.

I've been enjoying your great satire on this thread, keep up the good work.

 

[Gazwag]

On call from home? No good if you have an emergency.

As I said, straightforward stuff great - plush room, nicer food etc. If you are very sick, or at risk of serious surgical complications then NHS is your best bet.

Certainly people often, wrongly, believe they get a better doctor by going private.

I don't dispute the highlighted bit, there is no way to set up a private hospital like that in our country, that is not what you were saying in your sensationalist earlier post.
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You generally get the same consultant as they work in both sectors although generally in a private hospital you get the consultant rather than the "assistant". Almost zero chance of contracting nasty diseases during your stay as the cleanliness standards are vastly better and of course far less waiting times.

Shame about the 100's of life improving operations that have been cancelled today that the patients now have to wait another year for, although many private hospitals are doing these NHS ops today.

 

[Indurain's Lungs]

I don't dispute the highlighted bit, there is no way to set up a private hospital like that in our country, that is not what you were saying in your sensationalist earlier post.
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You generally get the same consultant as they work in both sectors although generally in a private hospital you get the consultant rather than the "assistant". Almost zero chance of contracting nasty diseases during your stay as the cleanliness standards are vastly better and of course far less waiting times.

Shame about the 100's of life improving operations that have been cancelled today that the patients now have to wait another year for, although many private hospitals are doing these NHS ops today.

Wasn't sensationalist - I wouldn't want me or my family to have anything major in a private hospital. Using it to get to see who you want, quickly is a completely different matter. As are more minor procedures.

The number of operations cancelled today is very small compared to those cancelled in response to high numbers of emergency admissions blocking inpatient beds as a regular occurrence. Fortunately the majority of the public support the short term inconvenience in favour of massive long term benefit.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I've just done a Tax Return for a NHS consultant doctor and their gross taxable income was £105K for the second year in a row, about a quarter of which is from private work. That person is by no means working every hour God sends either.

So while I sympathise with the plight of junior doctors I'm also mindful that once you make it to consultant you've got guaranteed big money for 25-30 years.

How many junior doctors go onto become consultants, couldn't really find anything on that, and what age do they generally turn consultant I wonder. Is £105k per year big money for a highly trained, highly specialised saver of lives? A cabinet minister gets £134k....Chief Executive of Brighton and Hove Council gets £150k+, you even get a £270k golden handshake with that post!!

 

[Indurain's Lungs]

How many junior doctors go onto become consultants, couldn't really find anything on that, and what age do they generally turn consultant I wonder. Is £105k per year big money for a highly trained, highly specialised saver of lives? A cabinet minister gets £134k....Chief Executive of Brighton and Hove Council gets £150k+, you even get a £270k golden handshake with that post!!

GP at around 30, Consultant at 35-40. The vast majority will end up as one of these.