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Good bye Mr Cameron







Scoffers

Well-known member
Jan 13, 2004
6,844
Burgess Hill
Goodbye Mr Cameron, hello Mr Miliband and the SNP. Great...

Hey dont worry about it, Prime Minister Miliband will be more than happy to backstab the SNP once they get him in to power, if he has no issues doing it to his brother, he won't think twice about doing the same to the SNP

"Hell Yeah"
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,268
Surrey
Nicola Sturgeon is not an MP. She is a MSP. She is not standing for election to the House of Commons. I love the idea of a separatist party, led by someone who is not a member of the British parliament, holding the balance of power and dictating terms to the United Kingdom government.

What does "dictating terms" actually mean? There would be terms needed to form a coalition government, but they wouldn't "dictate" them at all. They would get some concessions (the removal of trident from Scotland, for example) but not others. That's politics.
 


Lifelong Supporter

Well-known member
Aug 4, 2009
2,059
Burgess Hill
Why? Scotland MPs deserve the same say as other parts of the UK. The Labour party know they cannot be seen to be giving in to SNP so if they run a minority government they will simply do their thing and dare the SNP to vote them down just like every other party. The truth is that Labour Party policies are fairly close to SNP policies so the SNP will not bring them down and risk a Tory government. But they wont be given anything either

The real risk from the SNP is if the Tories win and the "Out" campaign win the EU referendum. Then, quite rightly in my view, the SNP will demand a second referendum which they will win. Perhaps a Tory win is what they really want but can't say. Then there really will be "real difficulty" ahead if you believe in a UK

We may well see and as for Labour Party Policies being 'fairly close' to the SNP I have to disagree. Trident, break up of the union etc. These would seem to be major differences to me
 






brakespear

Doctor Worm
Feb 24, 2009
12,326
Sleeping on the roof
Why? Scotland MPs deserve the same say as other parts of the UK. The Labour party know they cannot be seen to be giving in to SNP so if they run a minority government they will simply do their thing and dare the SNP to vote them down just like every other party. The truth is that Labour Party policies are fairly close to SNP policies so the SNP will not bring them down and risk a Tory government. But they wont be given anything either

The real risk from the SNP is if the Tories win and the "Out" campaign win the EU referendum. Then, quite rightly in my view, the SNP will demand a second referendum which they will win. Perhaps a Tory win is what they really want but can't say. Then there really will be "real difficulty" ahead if you believe in a UK
:thumbsup:
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,268
Surrey
A special mention for that utter f*ckwitt, Nick Clegg, the man responsible for decimating support levels for his party all for a whiff of power sharing with the Bullingdon sect.

This weekend he's announced he won't prop up a government with UKIP or SNP as fellow partners.

Three things Clegg you complete tosser;
1) if you hadn't sold your party and supporters down the river, you'd undoubtedly be the second biggest party by far, and this wouldn't be an issue.
2) this sort of talk is totally undemocratic. Arguably OK for the two big boys to be talking like that, as they have designs on an overall majority. But to be clear, you'll damn well do what the electorate expect of you.
3) this is the party that is renowned for advocating PR (which to be fair can't come soon enough). However, when that happens, we'll get political horse-trading as a matter of course - every single election. Are you seriously telling us you want no part of it, the minute the electorate give a result you don't like?
 


Kuipers Supporters Club

Well-known member
Feb 10, 2009
5,660
GOSBTS
A special mention for that utter f*ckwitt, Nick Clegg, the man responsible for decimating support levels for his party all for a whiff of power sharing with the Bullingdon sect.

This weekend he's announced he won't prop up a government with UKIP or SNP as fellow partners.

Three things Clegg you complete tosser;
1) if you hadn't sold your party and supporters down the river, you'd undoubtedly be the second biggest party by far, and this wouldn't be an issue.
2) this sort of talk is totally undemocratic. Arguably OK for the two big boys to be talking like that, as they have designs on an overall majority. But to be clear, you'll damn well do what the electorate expect of you.
3) this is the party that is renowned for advocating PR (which to be fair can't come soon enough). However, when that happens, we'll get political horse-trading as a matter of course - every single election. Are you seriously telling us you want no part of it, the minute the electorate give a result you don't like?

I'm not a Liberal Democrat, but that is very harsh on Clegg. The LD 2010 Manifesto had four front page points:

1 - Fairer Taxes - they have delivered on that
2 - 'Fair chance for every child' - Pupil Premium - delivered
3 - 'Fair Future' - they have invested in infrasturcture and have been honest with the tough choices needed to cut the deficit - delivered
4 - 'Fair Deal' - Liberals supported a backbench motion to sack MP's - led by Tory Zac Goldsmith, and compromised on an AV referemdum. HOL reform was stopped by the Tories.

You say 'whiff of power' what was he supposed to do? Go with Gordon Brown - who has just lost the election?
Second biggest party?! What planet are you on - Liberals haven't come in the top two for about 100 years!! They would never have got more seats than Labour this year. Ever.

Good on Clegg for saying he wont do deals with people who don't share his values.
 




Surrey Phil

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2010
1,477
Typical over reaction from everyone. I've just been on a few of the major bookies sites and labour's odds are way behind the Tories! Perhaps the op can clarify what odds and where he is talking as I might take the bet!!
 




Seagull1989

Well-known member
Oct 31, 2011
1,198
Cameron loses and is forced to resign. Boris gets the top job at the Tories and its Miliband v Boris in the house of commons. Brilliant!
 




Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,268
Surrey
I'm not a Liberal Democrat, but that is very harsh on Clegg. The LD 2010 Manifesto had four front page points:

1 - Fairer Taxes - they have delivered on that
2 - 'Fair chance for every child' - Pupil Premium - delivered
3 - 'Fair Future' - they have invested in infrasturcture and have been honest with the tough choices needed to cut the deficit - delivered
4 - 'Fair Deal' - Liberals supported a backbench motion to sack MP's - led by Tory Zac Goldsmith, and compromised on an AV referemdum. HOL reform was stopped by the Tories.

You say 'whiff of power' what was he supposed to do? Go with Gordon Brown - who has just lost the election?
Second biggest party?! What planet are you on - Liberals haven't come in the top two for about 100 years!! They would never have got more seats than Labour this year. Ever.

Good on Clegg for saying he wont do deals with people who don't share his values.
I meant "Third biggest party" or "second (junior) partner in government" :lolol:

I am pissed off because delivering PR ought to have been within their grasp. And they fcked it up.
 


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,379
Uffern
1) if you hadn't sold your party and supporters down the river, you'd undoubtedly be the second biggest party by far, and this wouldn't be an issue.

I think that Clegg's actions did damage the party but I really can't see them as bigger than Labour
 


GreersElbow

New member
Jan 5, 2012
4,870
A Northern Outpost
I'm not a Liberal Democrat, but that is very harsh on Clegg. The LD 2010 Manifesto had four front page points:

1 - Fairer Taxes - they have delivered on that
2 - 'Fair chance for every child' - Pupil Premium - delivered
3 - 'Fair Future' - they have invested in infrasturcture and have been honest with the tough choices needed to cut the deficit - delivered
4 - 'Fair Deal' - Liberals supported a backbench motion to sack MP's - led by Tory Zac Goldsmith, and compromised on an AV referemdum. HOL reform was stopped by the Tories.

You say 'whiff of power' what was he supposed to do? Go with Gordon Brown - who has just lost the election?
Second biggest party?! What planet are you on - Liberals haven't come in the top two for about 100 years!! They would never have got more seats than Labour this year. Ever.

Good on Clegg for saying he wont do deals with people who don't share his values.

Liberals are closer to Tories than any other party. It made much more sense for Lib dems to form coalition with Tories. I associate myself as a Lib Dem, but can't vote for them here in Lincoln. 40/40 for the Tories, and Karl McCartney, well. I won't make comments, but having met him a few times. I'll be voting Labour to oust him.

That said, there's a lot of Lib Dem members who are students at my university, they don't have an active society, but they've got a large number of student members.

+ Labour's candidate....my word
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Kuipers Supporters Club

Well-known member
Feb 10, 2009
5,660
GOSBTS
I meant "Third biggest party" or "second (junior) partner in government" :lolol:

I am pissed off because delivering PR ought to have been within their grasp. And they fcked it up.

Colaitons are about compromise - Libs wanted PR and Tories wanted the Status Quo; an AV referendum was the answer.

It would be easier to blame them if they had a majority having promised significant electoral reform and then had done nothing. i.e. Labour in 1997.
 
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Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,268
Surrey
Colaitonsare about compromise - Libs wanted PR and Tories wanted the Status Quo; an AV referendum was the answer.

It would be easier to blame them if they had a majority having promised significant electoral reform and then had done nothing. i.e. Labour in 1997.

The country badly needs PR but doesn't get it because it suits the two bigger parties over everybody else. AV is an appalling fudge, barely any better than FPTP. Therefore, I think they could easily have forced a referendum on that. Instead we got a complete bodge that nobody wanted and it ensures the issue will remain parked for another generation.
 


Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
30,679
Nicola Sturgeon is the best MP in the UK.

I think the fact she is NOT an MP is the starting point for this dog dinner of an election.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,268
Surrey
I think the fact she is NOT an MP is the starting point for this dog dinner of an election.

She is leader of a party where the leader of that party might not have a seat in Westminster. Same as Farage. Same as Bennett. Possibly same as Clegg! Added to Sinn Fein whose leader does have a seat but he never uses it, and it's a proper funny situation.
 




dazzer6666

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Mar 27, 2013
52,791
Burgess Hill
She is leader of a party where the leader of that party might not have a seat in Westminster. Same as Farage. Same as Bennett. Possibly same as Clegg! Added to Sinn Fein whose leader does have a seat but he never uses it, and it's a proper funny situation.

......until we all get f*cked over as a result......
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
55,860
Back in Sussex
Nicola Sturgeon is the best MP in the UK.

She's not an MP and nor is she running to be an MP. As I said elsewhere on NSC a few weeks back, it's one of the curiosities of this election that one of the main personalities has absolutely nothing to do with, and will not be sitting in Westminster at the end of it all.
 


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