Racism on the rise in Britain

[Irish_Seagull]

ahh right sorry I see I get it now, you are one of these people who speak in elliptical sentences to make yourself seem wise

i ll move on, laters

Silly boy run along now

 

[wellquickwoody]

ahh is it f cuk

you have total fools who honestly believe that the biggest problem facing the country is that they feel unable to say 'chinky' anymore when talking about chinese food

all 'PC' really means is trying not to be a c unt

Some people spend so much time policing the use of words that they are allowing their brains to be burgled.

 

[Irish_Seagull]

Some people spend so much time policing the use of words that they are allowing their brains to be burgled.

Class ha ha

 

[Soulman]

ahh is it f cuk

you have total fools who honestly believe that the biggest problem facing the country is that they feel unable to say 'chinky' anymore when talking about chinese food

all 'PC' really means is trying not to be a c unt

Shouldn't you be brushing up on your English language for the upcoming GCSE.

 

[Questions]

ahh is it f cuk

you have total fools who honestly believe that the biggest problem facing the country is that they feel unable to say 'chinky' anymore when talking about chinese food

all 'PC' really means is trying not to be a c unt

You think so do you. I got told at the weekend that I wasn't allowed to talk about black runners dominating sprint events in athletics. That's what I call PC gone mad.
I'm not talking about racist nicknames and the like........... You are a newbie mate, we've done all that.

 

[portlock seagull]

You think so do you. I got told at the weekend that I wasn't allowed to talk about black runners dominating sprint events in athletics. That's what I call PC gone mad.
I'm not talking about racist nicknames and the like........... You are a newbie mate, we've done all that.

I hate racists, especially Norwegian ones.

 

[sydney]

Oh **** off.

..

au contraire.......tis you who must go **** yerself......ya spotty ****.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Nobody is racist, we just want the numbers of people coming in to this country to be controlled properly so that everyone benefits, and we don't end up in a situation one day where there is more people this country can handle.

We also want people to come to the UK and integrate properly instead of coming here and expecting it to be like their own country.

Look it is no different to the Reflect your Respect campaign below is it. If we offered advice on what people should wear when coming to live in the UK, could you imagine?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/28/qatar-modesty-world-cup_n_5405054.html

 

[pastafarian]

Trust the Guardian not to link the survey, I guess it's easier to report that way. http://www.natcen.ac.uk/media/338770/selfreported-racial-prejudice-datafinal.pdf

Here's the actual report, you'll immediately spot the first graph shows on average, prejudice has fallen. Whilst the spike is worrying, this must be attributed to the rise of UKIP as opposed to people just genuinely becoming more racist.

I have to agree with you the survey is a load of pants and the reporting by the Guardian is verging on the barmy its always good to see an article on important issues like this squeeze Jeremy Clarkson in there somehow......adds to the validity doesnt it.

But how on earth do you attribute the rise in 2013 figures from 2012 figures to the rise in UKIP.

Did the people that did the survey have crystalballs?

Earlier rises have been attributed to events such as 9/11 and yet 2013 rises are linked to the rise of UKIP.

Perhaps the rise in 2013 could be attributed to a significant event from that year that completely shook the nation......the murder of Lee Rigby maybe.

Nah,of course not......it must be UKIP.

If this is the rhetoric of the future there is no hope for any of us.

Lunatics on the right.......everything is bad ........blame immigrants.

Lunatics on the left..........everything is bad ........blame UKIP.

Meanwhile the rest of us, the normaltons are screwed and left in limbo while the idiots bitch fight as to who is to blame rather than stand up,debate and try and resolve issues that are clearly important to everyone on both sides (the voters anyway)

Makes you want to say F the lot of them and vote Roman Party.

AVE to Orgies and Aqueducts!

 

[Greyrun]

Rubbing faces in diversity hasn't worked out as Labour would have hoped.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Rubbing faces in diversity hasn't worked out as Labour would have hoped.

Glad it is backfiring on them. A rotten party who don't want to listen and will never apologise. They like to tell everyone else what to do. Labour treat the general public like little children.

Interesting read below...
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4917/blairite_immigration_propagandist_smears_ukip

 

[pastafarian]

Glad it is backfiring on them. A rotten party who don't want to listen and will never apologise. They like to tell everyone else what to do. Labour treat the general public like little children.

Interesting read below...
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4917/blairite_immigration_propagandist_smears_ukip

i doubt you will get anyone in the camp opposite to you to read this link.
For some reason they will not read links.

usually better to copy it in......makes for healthier debate.......i like healthy debate



Blairite immigration propagandist smears UKIP

Former immigration minister Barbara Roche has claimed that “UKIP’s campaign needs to be exposed for what it is, a racist campaign.” It is, however, Ms Roche, who must be exposed


UKIP`S campaign needs to be exposed for what it is, a racist campaign.” That statement comes from Barbara Roche, the former immigration minister who was at the heart of Tony Blair’s underhanded immigration policy that allowed over three million immigrants to come to Britain, entirely in defiance of democratic public opinion.

According to Andrew Neather, a Labour Party speech writer at the time, Barbara Roche, Tony Blair, and the whole Labour cabinet deliberately created mass immigration (much of it Third World and unskilled) “to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”

So there we have it, the main purpose of Blair’s and Roche’s immigration policy was ideological, not economic. It also, of course, expanded Labour’s dependency clientele.

Now out of office, the same Barbara Roche continues to promote mass immigration to Britain as head of Migration Matters, a strongly pro-immigration propaganda organisation.

Roche’s Migration Matters Trust describes itself as a “cross party” grouping. As is so often the case, the expression “cross party” falsely suggests widespread popular support.

Barbara Roche is in fact the “chair” of Migration Matters, with two “co-chairs”, Lord Navnit Dholakia and Nadhim Zahawi, and the Director, Atul Hatwal.

Many would argue that Migration Matters is in fact little more than a pro-immigration leftist organisation that can be conveniently used by the mainstream parties who are running scared of UKIP.

Judging by Roche’s comments, UKIP appears to be the main target of her propaganda. But depicting Nigel Farage and the party as racist is simply the standard leftist way of closing down the immigration debate.

Barbara Roche is an unrepentant promoter of large-scale immigration (she rejects Labour’s public apology on immigration). On Radio 5 Live, she strongly suggested UKIP’s immigration policies were racist and attempted to justify more and more immigration on economic grounds.

Ms Roche claimed, for example, that the NHS would “grind to a halt” without immigrants. Such a claim is classic left-wing, dog-whistle politics.

Ms Roche ignores the inconvenient fact that immigrants are also patients in our hospitals and are therefore a cost. It is well established that immigrants disproportionately use public services, and on that basis alone it is likely there are more immigrants as patients in our hospitals than there are NHS immigrant workers.

On a more detailed look at the facts, MigrationWatch reports that a majority of births in London are to mothers born overseas. Statistically therefore, the majority of patients in London’s maternity hospitals would be foreign.

If London’s NHS maternity hospitals need immigrants, as Barbara Roche ludicrously claims, then they need immigrants to look after immigrants, a perverse problem caused by immigration, not solved by it.

Furthermore, a report in the Daily Telegraph quoted hospital consultants who stated that two thirds of AIDS patients in Britain’s hospitals came from abroad. Did Ms Roche factor the costs of treatment of these immigrants in her claims about the NHS?

Did Ms Roche include the astronomical costs of treating diabetes in the UK, predicted to rise to £17 billion per year by 2035, accounting for 17 percent of the NHS budget, figures likely, according to Diabetes UK, to “bankrupt the NHS”?

The question is relevant to immigration because, as a BBC report put it: “People from South Asia are six times more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than the white members of the UK population.”

The BBC further reported that: “British people of South Asian, African or African Caribbean descent are significantly more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than their European counterparts.”

To make these points is not to blame the immigrants. We mustn’t blame them.

But when high profile politicians such as Barbara Roche of Migration Matters make highly disputed public statements about the supposed economic benefits of immigration and accuse UKIP of racism for discussing the issues, then such points need to be openly discussed.

The truth about large-scale, uncontrolled immigration is that there are few, if any per capita benefits for the wider indigenous population.

A House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee reported:

We have found no evidence for the argument, made by the government, business and many others, that net immigration generates significant economic benefits for the existing UK population.

The same committee went on to make the important point that it is immigrants who benefit from immigration, not the wider community. London’s maternity hospitals with a majority of births to foreign-born mothers strikingly prove this point.

Barbara Roche can make her claim about the NHS “grinding to a halt” because she ignores all these inconvenient facts. The truth is that Barbara Roche is ideologically committed to large-scale immigration, irrespective of the economics.

Ms Roche had the same ideological commitment when she served under Tony Blair and allowed over three million immigrants to enter Britain, not for economic reasons (there were none), but “to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”

In truth, it is not UKIP’s campaign that needs to be exposed. UKIP, after all, represent majority opinion on uncontrolled immigration.

Rather, it is Barbara Roche of Migration Matters who needs to be exposed as a pro-immigration leftist who seeks to continue Tony Blair’s immigration policies.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

i doubt you will get anyone in the camp opposite to you to read this link.
For some reason they will not read links.

usually better to copy it in......makes for healthier debate.......i like healthy debate



Blairite immigration propagandist smears UKIP

Former immigration minister Barbara Roche has claimed that “UKIP’s campaign needs to be exposed for what it is, a racist campaign.” It is, however, Ms Roche, who must be exposed


UKIP`S campaign needs to be exposed for what it is, a racist campaign.” That statement comes from Barbara Roche, the former immigration minister who was at the heart of Tony Blair’s underhanded immigration policy that allowed over three million immigrants to come to Britain, entirely in defiance of democratic public opinion.

According to Andrew Neather, a Labour Party speech writer at the time, Barbara Roche, Tony Blair, and the whole Labour cabinet deliberately created mass immigration (much of it Third World and unskilled) “to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”

So there we have it, the main purpose of Blair’s and Roche’s immigration policy was ideological, not economic. It also, of course, expanded Labour’s dependency clientele.

Now out of office, the same Barbara Roche continues to promote mass immigration to Britain as head of Migration Matters, a strongly pro-immigration propaganda organisation.

Roche’s Migration Matters Trust describes itself as a “cross party” grouping. As is so often the case, the expression “cross party” falsely suggests widespread popular support.

Barbara Roche is in fact the “chair” of Migration Matters, with two “co-chairs”, Lord Navnit Dholakia and Nadhim Zahawi, and the Director, Atul Hatwal.

Many would argue that Migration Matters is in fact little more than a pro-immigration leftist organisation that can be conveniently used by the mainstream parties who are running scared of UKIP.

Judging by Roche’s comments, UKIP appears to be the main target of her propaganda. But depicting Nigel Farage and the party as racist is simply the standard leftist way of closing down the immigration debate.

Barbara Roche is an unrepentant promoter of large-scale immigration (she rejects Labour’s public apology on immigration). On Radio 5 Live, she strongly suggested UKIP’s immigration policies were racist and attempted to justify more and more immigration on economic grounds.

Ms Roche claimed, for example, that the NHS would “grind to a halt” without immigrants. Such a claim is classic left-wing, dog-whistle politics.

Ms Roche ignores the inconvenient fact that immigrants are also patients in our hospitals and are therefore a cost. It is well established that immigrants disproportionately use public services, and on that basis alone it is likely there are more immigrants as patients in our hospitals than there are NHS immigrant workers.

On a more detailed look at the facts, MigrationWatch reports that a majority of births in London are to mothers born overseas. Statistically therefore, the majority of patients in London’s maternity hospitals would be foreign.

If London’s NHS maternity hospitals need immigrants, as Barbara Roche ludicrously claims, then they need immigrants to look after immigrants, a perverse problem caused by immigration, not solved by it.

Furthermore, a report in the Daily Telegraph quoted hospital consultants who stated that two thirds of AIDS patients in Britain’s hospitals came from abroad. Did Ms Roche factor the costs of treatment of these immigrants in her claims about the NHS?

Did Ms Roche include the astronomical costs of treating diabetes in the UK, predicted to rise to £17 billion per year by 2035, accounting for 17 percent of the NHS budget, figures likely, according to Diabetes UK, to “bankrupt the NHS”?

The question is relevant to immigration because, as a BBC report put it: “People from South Asia are six times more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than the white members of the UK population.”

The BBC further reported that: “British people of South Asian, African or African Caribbean descent are significantly more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than their European counterparts.”

To make these points is not to blame the immigrants. We mustn’t blame them.

But when high profile politicians such as Barbara Roche of Migration Matters make highly disputed public statements about the supposed economic benefits of immigration and accuse UKIP of racism for discussing the issues, then such points need to be openly discussed.

The truth about large-scale, uncontrolled immigration is that there are few, if any per capita benefits for the wider indigenous population.

A House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee reported:

We have found no evidence for the argument, made by the government, business and many others, that net immigration generates significant economic benefits for the existing UK population.

The same committee went on to make the important point that it is immigrants who benefit from immigration, not the wider community. London’s maternity hospitals with a majority of births to foreign-born mothers strikingly prove this point.

Barbara Roche can make her claim about the NHS “grinding to a halt” because she ignores all these inconvenient facts. The truth is that Barbara Roche is ideologically committed to large-scale immigration, irrespective of the economics.

Ms Roche had the same ideological commitment when she served under Tony Blair and allowed over three million immigrants to enter Britain, not for economic reasons (there were none), but “to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”

In truth, it is not UKIP’s campaign that needs to be exposed. UKIP, after all, represent majority opinion on uncontrolled immigration.

Rather, it is Barbara Roche of Migration Matters who needs to be exposed as a pro-immigration leftist who seeks to continue Tony Blair’s immigration policies.

The article raises the issues the other party would never speak about. I'm all for healthy debate, but I also want some balance. It's all pro eu, pro immigration.

 

[joeywortho]

The idea that mass immigration was 'created' as a ya boo sucks to the right is pretty bonkers no?

 

[Irish_Seagull]

The idea that mass immigration was 'created' as a ya boo sucks to the right is pretty bonkers no?

Could you translate that into grown up English ?

 

[joeywortho]

You think so do you. I got told at the weekend that I wasn't allowed to talk about black runners dominating sprint events in athletics. That's what I call PC gone mad.
I'm not talking about racist nicknames and the like........... You are a newbie mate, we've done all that.

Who told you that? They are a fool and, I admit, the kind of well meaning chump who does no one any favours. However, I still fail to see how its an issue, for me would rather bite my tounge from time to time that willfully offend someone

 

[joeywortho]

morning irish!

I didnt want to quote that entire article above, but the quote I was disagreeing with in particular was "According to Andrew Neather, a Labour Party speech writer at the time, Barbara Roche, Tony Blair, and the whole Labour cabinet deliberately created mass immigration (much of it Third World and unskilled) “to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”

 

[SK1NT]

Nobody is racist, we just want the numbers of people coming in to this country to be controlled properly so that everyone benefits, and we don't end up in a situation one day where there is more people this country can handle.

We also want people to come to the UK and integrate properly instead of coming here and expecting it to be like their own country.

Look it is no different to the Reflect your Respect campaign below is it. If we offered advice on what people should wear when coming to live in the UK, could you imagine?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/28/qatar-modesty-world-cup_n_5405054.html

If the rich and the global companies pay their taxes then we won't have to worry about overcrowding schools and the nhs ETC... at the end of the day the real fact is 97% of immigrants PAY tax. It is the governments fault if the people feel squeezed, but no we all blame the easy target... the newest minority into the UK..

This is like banging my head against a brick wall

 

[Greyrun]

The idea that mass immigration was 'created' as a ya boo sucks to the right is pretty bonkers no?

Andrew Neather an advisor to Tony Blair validated this quote.

 

[Irish_Seagull]

morning irish!

Morning mate how's you

I didnt want to quote that entire article above, but the quote I was disagreeing with in particular was "According to Andrew Neather, a Labour Party speech writer at the time, Barbara Roche, Tony Blair, and the whole Labour cabinet deliberately created mass immigration

Well, they didn't create mass immigration. Immigration legal or illigal has always existed. It's a tool for destabilisation.

Saying that though in the last 20 years more new comers have arrived than in the previous two thousand years, they cannot be assimilated and will change the British culture and with that foreign and domestic policy in the years to come

It's no less than cultural genocide. But it serves a purpose where their agenda is concerned

much of it Third World and unskilled) “to rub the Right’s nose in diversity

There is no left or right in politics, in countries like Spain Greece and Finland people are turning to the traditional left to stop the what they too consider crazy right wingers who are allowing open door immigration

In swedan simply stating "I think mass immigration is having a negative impact on our country" can end in imprisonment. It is illegal to question immigration essentially

Over there many blond women dye their hair black to avoid being raped by their diversity crew, there was even a gang rape on a bus with nobody intervening some time ago, the thing is there nobody like I say is allowed to question mass immigration, they are about 20 years ahead of us

Norway's government had an open door policy with Syria, they are not even members of the EU.

and render their arguments out of date.”

You only really learn when you admit you were ignorant in the beginning