If you drink and drive

[Mellotron]

Bet you've done it though, had to drive somewhere next day after a big night out? Most drivers that ever drink, have at some point been driving with excess alcohol in their blood, not the same as being pissed.

Never been a big drinker whatsoever so no, don't think I have done it. Genuinely.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Not on a wind up at all. Sharing my views which I'm entilted to do whether people agree or disagree.

If I were you, I'd be slightly concerned that 99.9% of the world disagree with your opinion.

 

[Baldseagull]

I think that would be the commonly held (and reasonable) view.

And like you, by 'careless driving' I'm refering to a the guy who makes a poor decision / changes lanes without properly checking, etc, rather than say somebody who is messing with their phone, or something - that for me IS in the same bracket as drink-driving.

What if someone driving with excess alcohol swerves to avoid a drunk pedestrian that deliberatley jumps into the road and ends up knocking over and killing a drunk cyclist, riding with no lights on? Who would you hang there?

 

[Mellotron]

What if someone driving with excess alcohol swerves to avoid a drunk pedestrian that deliberatley jumps into the road and ends up knocking over and killing a drunk cyclist, riding with no lights on? Who would you hang there?

I'd just leave the country at that point.

 

[Footsoldier]

I think that would be the commonly held (and reasonable) view.

And like you, by 'careless driving' I'm refering to a the guy who makes a poor decision / changes lanes without properly checking, etc, rather than say somebody who is messing with their phone, or something - that for me IS in the same bracket as drink-driving.

How about that chap in Worthing who didn't have a driving license, car insurance who ran some young boy down on the zebra crossing then drove off and left him to die. Was caught and given 6 weeks in prison then the judge turned around and apologized and said he shouldn't have been given that long and released him even though he had a false passport and was in the country illegally.

 

[Footsoldier]

If I were you, I'd be slightly concerned that 99.9% of the world disagree with your opinion.

Ok Ernestine , prove that 99% would disagree with me and I don't mean a poll on here as we know everyone would want to prove me wrong so would vote in your favor just for the fun of it.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

How about that chap in Worthing who didn't have a driving license, car insurance who ran some young boy down on the zebra crossing then drove off and left him to die. Was caught and given 6 weeks in prison then the judge turned around and apologized and said he shouldn't have been given that long and released him even though he had a false passport and was in the country illegally.

Well, I think I've already made the distinction that I feel more leniently towards CARELESS drivers, rather than people who make concious bad / dangerous choices. So given that in your example, the driver conciously chose to drive without a license or insurance, and conciously fled the scene of the accident, what do YOU think? Have you got any other really good examples to debate?

 

[fat old seagull]

What if someone driving with excess alcohol swerves to avoid a drunk pedestrian that deliberatley jumps into the road and ends up knocking over and killing a drunk cyclist, riding with no lights on? Who would you hang there?

An unlikely scenario, but I'd probably hang the driver, the pedestrian and the cyclist (posthumously) unless I personally had a role in this farce...in which case probation would seem an appropriate punishment.

 

[Footsoldier]

Well, I think I've already made the distinction that I feel more leniently towards CARELESS drivers, rather than people who make concious bad / dangerous choices. So given that in your example, the driver conciously chose to drive without a license or insurance, and conciously fled the scene of the accident, what do YOU think? Have you got any other really good examples to debate?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/fathers-heartbreak-after-shortsighted-driver-who-killed-his-son-avoids-jail-9050989.html

http://www.newsnortheast.org.uk/news/careless-driver-who-killed-oap-has-been-spared-jail

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/driver-guilty-of-carless-driving-avoids-680320

 

[Man of Harveys]

The UK is generally well-behaved about drink-driving. It seems to be a very different story in the U.S. - it's utterly illegal of course but there's nothing like the stigma attached. People who aren't generally utterly irresponsible in any other aspects of their lives think nothing much about driving home after a few strong ones and you see some very wobbly driving going on if you're driving around late at night.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/fathers-heartbreak-after-shortsighted-driver-who-killed-his-son-avoids-jail-9050989.html

http://www.newsnortheast.org.uk/news/careless-driver-who-killed-oap-has-been-spared-jail

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/driver-guilty-of-carless-driving-avoids-680320

Are you being deliberately dense, or do you genuinely not understand the concept of a concious decision?

You've just posted links to 3 stories:

Story 1; the driver needed glasses to see clearly more than a few metres in front of him, and he conciously chose to drive without them. that's NOT 'careless', its wantonly dangerous.

Story 2; the car was travelling at 50mph in a 30 zone. Again, NOT careless.

Story 3; the car was travelling at 39mph in a 30 zone, and was undertaking another car at the point of impact. Once again - deliberate bad decisions.

I'm done. You're deliberatley missing the point.

 

[Footsoldier]

I feel more leniently towards CARELESS drivers

Your own words. Do you still feel the same after those links I posted.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

How about that chap in Worthing who didn't have a driving license, car insurance who ran some young boy down on the zebra crossing then drove off and left him to die. Was caught and given 6 weeks in prison then the judge turned around and apologized and said he shouldn't have been given that long and released him even though he had a false passport and was in the country illegally.

His passport and immigration status is relevant how?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Your own words. Do you still feel the same after those links I posted.

Yes, obviously, because NONE of your 4 examples to date, describe what I would refer to as CARELESS driving.

Its not hard.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Ok Ernestine

 

[Perkino]

The problem for me is that the rate at which your body breaks down the alcohol is different per person. There's no guidance as to what could put you over the limit.

I could have 2 glasses of wine with my dinner at 7pm and feel fine at 11pm but not sure if I'd be legally allowed to drive.

it's such a grey area in accurately trying to calculate if you meet the legal requirement and is probably best to stay off if driving

 

[wunt be druv]

Total zero option for me.Soft drinks only if I am driving,even night before I am very wary of how much to drink.If I was responsible for the death or serious injury through my own self indulgance I could never forgive myself or expect any pity.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

I must confess, I lost my license for drink driving when I was in my teens. I was a c**t for doing it. I've paid my dues in insurance premiums and had the shame of a court appearance
It made me a very sensible , cautious driver and even though it seems hypocritical it really boils my pi$$ when I see other people doing it regularly.

 

[Questions]

I got pissed and wrecked my car when I was young ( a prat I know ) and luckily walked away with a few lacerations but it was an Austin Allegro can you believe. I must have been pissed when I bought it as well.

 

[Bry Nylon]

What if someone driving with excess alcohol swerves to avoid a drunk pedestrian that deliberatley jumps into the road and ends up knocking over and killing a drunk cyclist, riding with no lights on? Who would you hang there?

Maybe just hang the drunk cyclist as they are dead already? No chance of a drawn out appeal and justice will have been seen to have been served. Everybody's a winner!*

* with the exception of the dead cyclist, obviously, who comes out as the main loser in this particular scenario, followed by the car driver who will most likely have some front-end damage to his car that his insurance will be reluctant to cover. Depending on the speed and position of impact, plus the value of the car, there is every chance it could be effectively written off. Who knows?