Consumption Rooms

[Uncle C]

A thought which comes to mind when reading your posts.

Its called a balanced discussion. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Its called a balanced discussion. Do you have a problem with that?

How is your initial argument even remotely balanced?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Its called a balanced discussion. Do you have a problem with that?

Your simplistic response is hardly a discussion.

 

[vegster]

The same could be said of people who use drugs to get out of their heads, or even just high, couldn't it?

Humans have sought to use mind altering drugs for thousands of years, originally there was spiritual, ne religious reasons for doing it.

Now it often seems to be nihilistic, the most vulnerable and/or poorest people, taking drugs to escape, destroying their lives by habitually using drugs, becoming addicted, and progressively degenerating, is that not Darwinism of a fashion?

Doing that a few thousand years ago is going to take you out of the gene pool pretty fast.There wasn't much in the way of NHS or charity agencies to help.

 

[Garage_Doors]

True, but there is a simple solution to this. Legalise them, make them safe.

so by legalising Heroin it will make it safe to take ?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

so by legalising Heroin it will make it safe to take ?

It will most likely make it safer. It will also give one access to the heroin users directly, in more cases than not.

Is taking heroin dangerous? Or is it overdosing and poor substances which makes it very dangerous?

 

[Uncle C]

How is your initial argument even remotely balanced?

It balances`the bleeding hearts brigade.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

It balances`the bleeding hearts brigade.

Oh, bleeding hearts, how very caring.

Why does one have to be a bleeding heart to empathise that some may end up on drugs through very little fault of their own?

Even if someone 'chooses' to become hooked, why should society go ahead and let them kill themselves?

You don't have to be religious to love thy neighbour.

 

[Superphil]

Doing that a few thousand years ago is going to take you out of the gene pool pretty fast.There wasn't much in the way of NHS or charity agencies to help.

I was thinking more that back then it was more likely that the drugs were derived completely from natural products, not chemically developed and formulated and they were used occasionally, ceremonially, not daily, and not just to get completey wasted. Even the opium smokers of a hundred years ago were probably using less harmful gear, not cut with whatnot, or formulated in an underground laboratory with who knows what enhancements.

But you're right, if you got hooked then, and messed up, that was most likely that. Still seems daft to me that in the modern world, with modern levels of education, and far more enlightened understanding of the detrimental effects of substance abuse, that people still use them, and believe they are not being harmed by them.

 

[Uncle C]

Oh, bleeding hearts, how very caring.

Why does one have to be a bleeding heart to empathise that some may end up on drugs through very little fault of their own?

Even if someone 'chooses' to become hooked, why should society go ahead and let them kill themselves?

You don't have to be religious to love thy neighbour.

If they have no respect for their own bodies or safety then why should I?

 

[Garage_Doors]

If by safe, you mean non-lethal, yes. The risk of death, like most illegal drugs, mostly come from impurities and unknown potencies.

It should be legalised but heavily regulated, so it is only prescribed to heroin addicts seeking help.

If they can make heroin safe to take and non addictive i want to have some !

 

[Barrel of Fun]

If they have no respect for their own bodies or safety then why should I?

I spent a long time depressed and drank heavily. If I hadn't been supported by great friends and family and given a second chance by (partially) fixing my disability, I could well be a yellow tinged doorway occupier prone to dying on my own vomit. Should we just jettison those who struggle or seek to help?

 

[Questions]

Not sure if it helps either way, there is no safe place or method to take illegal drugs without risk.Best to avoid.

7 bags of cheap crisps from the market during the munchies. How quick we forget oh pure one.

 

[vegster]

7 bags of cheap crisps from the market during the munchies. How quick we forget oh pure one.

That was the only way I'd ever eat them, god were they awful, it was either eat them or the kitchen lino .

 

[Questions]

That was the only way I'd ever eat them, god were they awful, it was either eat them or the kitchen lino .

More calories on his Lino I would have thought, what with all that grease.

 

[joeinbrighton]

There is actually a service I know of in Brighton which supports a policy not a million miles from what is being talked about here. I know this as I visited the premises last year and a talk was given by the service's manager where he talked about it. There's some details about the service here:

http://www.bht.org.uk/services/phase-one-project/

The idea being that if people are taking substances 'under control' with qualified staff on the premises, it is less likely to escalate into a dangerous situation whereas if the person dealing with the addiction is going off site and feeding their addiction, they could be at greater risk of violence or of using 'bad' drugs which are more likely to damage their health. I can see the logic.

 

[Phat Baz 68]

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Why bother stopping people who want to take the risk of killing themselves with drugs.

What a terrible thing to say about fellow human beings !

 

[Phat Baz 68]

The only people who should be locked up and the keys thrown away are the scum that sell it to our children by the school gates etc.

 

[Dick Head]

If they have no respect for their own bodies or safety then why should I?

What does the C in Uncle C stand for?

 

[Garage_Doors]

Isn't just a case of natural selection, those that are stupid enough to use drugs, fail and die and those that don't go on and survive and reproducing another generation.
The problem comes is when these people survive and then reproduce themselves to breed more drug addicts,
Hence breeding not so strong people and a decline in the human race.
Gross stereotyping I know, but you get the idea.