Dressing Room Activities

[Petunia]

Ask yourself first whether you think there is a possibility of him staying and working under the same management that suspended him! Aside from the fact OG will be bringing in his own team.

It's 0G - not OG!

 

[LamieRobertson]

CO seems to be a nice bloke, 100% committed to BHA and AITC and presumably is a good coach.

However I do find his particular brand of 'banter/insults' with the players (from evidence on various club videos/Soccer AM/the League One open top bus parade etc) a bit cringeworthy. It may have worked in The Withdean Years, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's felt to be a bit outdated in the new corporate/international era of BHA.

i thought Oatway's banter was a good thing against all the sanitised corporate stuff and its a shame that its ended

 

[ROSM]

CO seems to be a nice bloke, 100% committed to BHA and AITC and presumably is a good coach.

However I do find his particular brand of 'banter/insults' with the players (from evidence on various club videos/Soccer AM/the League One open top bus parade etc) a bit cringeworthy. It may have worked in The Withdean Years, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's felt to be a bit outdated in the new corporate/international era of BHA.

Interesting point indeed. I wonder if Rose Read, the albion's head of hr shares that view. Would be interesting though for the club to grow tired of the very person they have helped create. Many of those public incidents have been under the relatively new regime so they can hardly cry foul now. In employment law there is a defence if a blind eye had been turned previously or indeed if that behaviour had been promoted by the company.

 

[Lush]

Interesting point indeed. I wonder if Rose Read, the albion's head of hr shares that view. Would be interesting though for the club to grow tired of the very person they have helped create. Many of those public incidents have been under the relatively new regime so they can hardly cry foul now. In employment law there is a defence if a blind eye had been turned previously or indeed if that behaviour had been promoted by the company.

I very much doubt that CO has been suspended because of his brand of banter, so that shouldn't affect his disciplinary hearing for whatever misdemeanour has actually occurred.

 

[Pinkie Brown]

Interesting point indeed. I wonder if Rose Read, the albion's head of hr shares that view. Would be interesting though for the club to grow tired of the very person they have helped create. Many of those public incidents have been under the relatively new regime so they can hardly cry foul now. In employment law there is a defence if a blind eye had been turned previously or indeed if that behaviour had been promoted by the company.

Indeed.

In my previous place of work, when an employee was asked to answer either disciplinary charges, or carry out a work practice in a different way without full consideration by employer and staff reps, the defence of 'custom and practice' was successfully used on more than one occasion. Regarding unacceptable behaviour in the workplace: If it was normal tradition for Charlie (hypothetically I add) to whack a custard pie into the face of each new signing at their first day of training, he could hardly be disciplined for that behaviour if he hadn't been taken to one side previously and formally told to 'cease' that behaviour.

The point of C & P was also stretched on some other occasions, not so successfully.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

One area we need to be guarded against is the use of the word "banter". Banter can be a great way of creating a fun and inclusive environment and can bring a team together and bond individuals. We also had "banter" in the Army, this came about, at times, as deviant sexual assaults and practices, physical and mental harming, outright bullying and was a cover for other sinister practices ... but hey, "It was just a bit of "banter" get over it".

 

[middletoenail]

I very much doubt that CO has been suspended because of his brand of banter

You may well be surprised.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

One area we need to be guarded against is the use of the word "banter". Banter can be a great way of creating a fun and inclusive environment and can bring a team together and bond individuals. We also had "banter" in the Army, this came about, at times, as deviant sexual assaults and practices, physical and mental harming, outright bullying and was a cover for other sinister practices ... but hey, "It was just a bit of "banter" get over it".

It's all in the interpretation. I agree with you.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Looking back over the years, it seems to me that the "character" of Charlie Oatway was an invention of the Club, used to promote a particular image of a squad and management that sticks together, whatever the circumstances. Now that the Albion is run by executive officers, business planners and human resources professionals, there are obviously going to be some tensions. But these need to be resolved sensitively and without victimisation.

 

[Surf's Up]

Looking back over the years, it seems to me that the "character" of Charlie Oatway was an invention of the Club, used to promote a particular image of a squad and management that sticks together, whatever the circumstances. Now that the Albion is run by executive officers, business planners and human resources professionals, there are obviously going to be some tensions. But these need to be resolved sensitively and without victimisation.

Agree with this, particularly if CO was hypothetically allegedly defending the honour of the club

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Agree with this, particularly if CO was hypothetically allegedly defending the honour of the club

The problem with rumour & gossip, is that it goes around the world twice whilst truth is still getting it's boots on.

 

[symyjym]

The problem with rumour & gossip, is that it goes around the world twice whilst truth is still getting it's boots on.

By the tone of questions asked by Lineker and Chapman, it seemed as if they had knowledge of the allegations. Managers get sacked all the time, but Gus is the only one who has publicly announced that he will clear his name.

Bearing in mind that whatever happened isn't in the public domain for him to even suggest what in his name he is supposed to be clearing.

If Gus said he cannot comment or discuss things for legal reasons he would have avoided putting more fuel on the rumours of fire.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

By the tone of questions asked by Lineker and Chapman, it seemed as if they had knowledge of the allegations. Managers get sacked all the time, but Gus is the only one who has publicly announced that he will clear his name.

Bearing in mind that whatever happened isn't in the public domain for him to even suggest what in his name he is supposed to be clearing.

If Gus said he cannot comment or discuss things for legal reasons he would have avoided putting more fuel on the rumours of fire.

Russell Slade was sacked by Yeovil before he managed the Great Escape with us, for allegedly fiddling his expenses. He appealed, won and was cleared.

 

[symyjym]

Russell Slade was sacked by Yeovil before he managed the Great Escape with us, for allegedly fiddling his expenses. He appealed, won and was cleared.

To the best of my knowledge Gus hasn't even officially lodged an appeal yet and I don't think saying it on TV counts for much. If he wanted to protect his name he could have left under mutual consent.

You also have to remember that Gus thought there was an overreaction to the Suarez biting incident so I am not convinced on Gus's angelic moral compass.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I'm sure Gus will appeal ( at the last possible opportunity ), but not convinced he'll want the list of charges out in the open by going to court.

 

[Bra]

I'm sure Gus will appeal ( at the last possible opportunity ), but not convinced he'll want the list of charges out in the open by going to court.

I think he will as well. Would guess it would need to done in 7days, so anytime soon.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

To the best of my knowledge Gus hasn't even officially lodged an appeal yet and I don't think saying it on TV counts for much. If he wanted to protect his name he could have left under mutual consent.

You also have to remember that Gus thought there was an overreaction to the Suarez biting incident so I am not convinced on Gus's angelic moral compass.

He wasn't able to leave under mutual consent as that would mean a financial settlement. The club sacked him for breaches of contract so therefore he gets nothing.

 

[Uncle C]

He wasn't able to leave under mutual consent as that would mean a financial settlement. The club sacked him for breaches of contract so therefore he gets nothing.

But we also get nothing when he is taken to another club.

 

[symyjym]

He wasn't able to leave under mutual consent as that would mean a financial settlement. The club sacked him for breaches of contract so therefore he gets nothing.

No he could have offered his resignation and we could have accepted it, no payouts on either side and with an amicable end, so he would have avoided dismissed now being included in his CV. The club gave him a choice since his suspension to offer his resignation, we ran out of time, and he ultimately chose to be sacked.

We will have reached the 7 day mark in the next couple of hours so his choice is to just either accept the sacking or defend himself and the accusations in the public domain.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

No he could have offered his resignation and we could have accepted it, no payouts on either side and with an amicable end, so he would have avoided dismissed now being included in his CV. The club gave him a choice since his suspension to offer his resignation, we ran out of time, and he ultimately chose to be sacked.

We will have reached the 7 day mark in the next couple of hours so his choice is to just either accept the sacking or defend himself and the accusations in the public domain.

The appeal is an internal appeal ... not in the public domain. There's no obligation for either side to announce that it is happening.