Lee Steele - Homophobe???

[keaton]

Take it for what it was, a joke, hardly malicious

It seems to suggest gay men are rapists?

 

[Easy 10]

The 'like giving machine guns to monkeys' comment re footballers on Twitter springs to mind (OK it was cricketers, but you get my point.) Training ground banter does not always look good in print. Jolly entertaining though.

Indeed. Another one in todays news

Wojciech Szczesny says Aaron Ramsey 'looks like rapist' | Mail Online

Szczesnys tweet to Aaron Ramsey had said: ‘I don’t wanna be rude mate but you look like a rapist on that picture! lol.’ He followed up with: ‘Looking like a rapist/pedofile (sic) isn’t a good thing either .’

 

[Questions]

WOW - a homophobic footballer.... whatever next?!?

I take it the OP has not played any level of organised football. Homophobia and racism are rampant at all levels. Primarily because most people who play football, are actually, well pretty darn thick.

As sweeping statements go that is right up there CC.

I would say that all the guys I know who have played are pretty much representative of the average working class lad.

 

[BigGully]

Prejudice. What are you talking about? I have played football at a few different levels, and at all of them I have witnessed homophobia and racism. Not necessarily placing a value judgement on it, just saying thats the way it is.

I take it you haven't played a lot of football, bud?

But have you witnessed homophobia and racism, or have you experienced jokes and quips that you might now wish to categorise as homophobia and racism, as you concede most people that play football are pretty darn thick.

Not sure how someone as intelligent as you, put up with your thick tea mates, must of been tough.

 

[BigGully]

It seems to suggest gay men are rapists?

It can suggest what it wants, but if your own interpretation is anyway accurate it is soooo absurd that you kinda expect it to be nothing more than a crap joke.

 

[Chesney Christ]

Cannot help thinking he doesnt feel threatened by homosexual rape at this moment in time.

Err yeah, my point precisely. So what relevance does your comment "let people say what they feel" have to this thread?!

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

i'm sure it was meant as a "joke" but it does seem to imply that if he was in the CBB house, that he would be worried that a gay man would rape him

so very stupid, but doesn't necessarily mean he's actually homophobic

 

[Chesney Christ]

But have you witnessed homophobia and racism, or have you experienced jokes and quips that you might now wish to categorise as homophobia and racism, as you concede most people that play football are pretty darn thick.

Not sure how someone as intelligent as you, put up with your thick tea mates, must of been tough.

If you see my original comment it was directed at the OP, who said "Lee Steel - Homophobe". I was suggesting that this thread may as well have been started about pretty much any footballer in the country as Steele's remarks were merely reflective of dressing room culture, so his "wow I can't believe a footballer could be homophobic" stance seems a little odd. Perhaps I didn't make that properly clear though.

 

[bhaexpress]

It seems to suggest gay men are rapists?

If you think itr does maybe you're a closet homophobe, just a rather tedious attempt at a joke.

 

[BigGully]

i'm sure it was meant as a "joke" but it does seem to imply that if he was in the CBB house, that he would be worried that a gay man would rape him

so very stupid, but doesn't necessarily mean he's actually homophobic

Why would you feel compelled to interpret any offence, it is such a stupid comment/joke he must of been pissed.

Jokes are jokes, some are good most are not and most have some offence within them.

 

[Beach Hut]

I would suggest this is more being used as an excuse to get rid of him.

 

[BigGully]

If you see my original comment it was directed at the OP, who said "Lee Steel - Homophobe". I was suggesting that this thread may as well have been started about pretty much any footballer in the country as Steele's remarks were merely reflective of dressing room culture, so his "wow I can't believe a footballer could be homophobic" stance seems a little odd. Perhaps I didn't make that properly clear though.

I will accept that dressing room environments are not very PC correct, thank god.

But most of the guys that play football are neither racists or homophobes, nor thick but they will be no limits to their brutal 'banter'.

Personally I have always found penis size the most joked about feature within the changing room.

Not sure if I should feel offended !!

 

[Chesney Christ]

As sweeping statements go that is right up there CC.

I would say that all the guys I know who have played are pretty much representative of the average working class lad.

Try quoting a philosopher next time you're around your footy mates or making a reference to anything that could even remotely be considered cerebral or "highbrow" in any way and see how you get on, bud. In fact, try referencing anything other than cars, football or birds' tits and see how long it is until your sexuality is questioned.

I've got plenty of close mates who I have played footy with, of varying degrees of intelligence. Some bright, others not. I'm not intelligent, but at the same time I don't have the desire to be stupid... unlike some of the people I played football with. Ignorant is a better word for it. And perhaps I should have referred to "dressing room culture" rather than individuals. Its hardly a hotbed of intelligent debate is it?

The simple fact is that any suggestion of sensitivity or a thirst for a knowledge - if expressed in a football dressing room - is generally rounded on by all and sundry. One of my Sunday League football mates was called a "poof" for referring to "Chicken Nuggets" as "Chicken Goujons". See, knowing French words makes you homosexual.

Graeme Le Saux was regarded as gay because he once went to an art gallery.

My general point is that footballers grow up in a culture where they are encouraged to be stupid. Non-mainstream cultural references or expressions of intelligence are sneered at. Is it any wonder when Lee Steele posts something so utterly dumb?

 

[Mellotron]

Try quoting a philosopher next time you're around your footy mates

Agreed with you on all points except this one. Even I would think you were a dingus if you quoted a philosopher in a football dressing room.

There's no way not to sound like a prune when starting a sentence with:

"Wasn't it the great Aristotle who once said..."

 

[Questions]

Try quoting a philosopher next time you're around your footy mates or making a reference to anything that could even remotely be considered cerebral or "highbrow" in any way and see how you get on, bud. In fact, try referencing anything other than cars, football or birds' tits and see how long it is until your sexuality is questioned.

I've got plenty of close mates who I have played footy with, of varying degrees of intelligence. Some bright, others not. I'm not intelligent, but at the same time I don't have the desire to be stupid... unlike some of the people I played football with. Ignorant is a better word for it. And perhaps I should have referred to "dressing room culture" rather than individuals. Its hardly a hotbed of intelligent debate is it?

The simple fact is that any suggestion of sensitivity or a thirst for a knowledge - if expressed in a football dressing room - is generally rounded on by all and sundry. One of my Sunday League football mates was called a "poof" for referring to "Chicken Nuggets" as "Chicken Goujons". See, knowing French words makes you homosexual.

Graeme Le Saux was regarded as gay because he once went to an art gallery.

My general point is that footballers grow up in a culture where they are encouraged to be stupid. Non-mainstream cultural references or expressions of intelligence are sneered at. Is it any wonder when Lee Steele posts something so utterly dumb?

They grow up in a culture where they are encouraged to rip the piss out of each other CC.( when in a big group.) It happens when lads go out every friday and saturday night for a drink or to watch the Albion or anywhere else you care to name. Does not make them thick CC. Our group consider anyone who drinks lager a homosexual but that`s how we are. Its piss taking CC.

 

[Questions]

Agreed with you on all points except this one. Even I would think you were a dingus if you quoted a philosopher in a football dressing room.

There's no way not to sound like a prune when starting a sentence with:

"Wasn't it the great Aristotle who once said..."

There`s nothing Nietzsche couldn`t teach yer.....................

 

[BigGully]

Try quoting a philosopher next time you're around your footy mates or making a reference to anything that could even remotely be considered cerebral or "highbrow" in any way and see how you get on, bud. In fact, try referencing anything other than cars, football or birds' tits and see how long it is until your sexuality is questioned.

I've got plenty of close mates who I have played footy with, of varying degrees of intelligence. Some bright, others not. I'm not intelligent, but at the same time I don't have the desire to be stupid... unlike some of the people I played football with. Ignorant is a better word for it. And perhaps I should have referred to "dressing room culture" rather than individuals. Its hardly a hotbed of intelligent debate is it?

The simple fact is that any suggestion of sensitivity or a thirst for a knowledge - if expressed in a football dressing room - is generally rounded on by all and sundry. One of my Sunday League football mates was called a "poof" for referring to "Chicken Nuggets" as "Chicken Goujons". See, knowing French words makes you homosexual.

Graeme Le Saux was regarded as gay because he once went to an art gallery.

My general point is that footballers grow up in a culture where they are encouraged to be stupid. Non-mainstream cultural references or expressions of intelligence are sneered at. Is it any wonder when Lee Steele posts something so utterly dumb?

I do understand what you are saying.

But it is an environment where it is quite nice not needing to be too 'highbrow'.

I think the exciting thing about your team and your mates is the mutual trust within it.

It gives a forum where you can be brutal about anything, things that would be inappropriate at home in the office, all is fair game in the dressing room.

Be it black, white, ginger, fat, gay, skinny, big nosed, small cocked, its all up for grabs as it were, however I have hardly ever seen any genuine ism's, with the players I have played with.

 

[cunning fergus]

I trust one of our moral prefects has already reported Mr Steele to the Police?

I also expect that our ethical leaders in the Anti Aparthied Section of NSC are currently retrieving Mr Steele's address and other personal details so it can be relaeased to the wider community so that we can all join in the crusade by sending him pizzas and other assorted convenience foods?

PS. We must harden our hearts and ignore the losses incurred by those businesses we are utilising for the purposes of our noble protest. I am sure they would understand that sacrifices need to be made in the crucial fight against disgusting homophobics like Mr Steele.

Hasta la victoria siempere.

 

[keaton]

It can suggest what it wants, but if your own interpretation is anyway accurate it is soooo absurd that you kinda expect it to be nothing more than a crap joke.

Right.
If his joke isn't based on the idea that a gay men sleeping next to a straight man would try and rape him what is it about?

 

[W.C.]

If he and that rugby player were good mates you could see it as 'banter' (tedious banter at that). If they're not, it's in pretty bad taste if you ask me.