I'm So glad my taxes are paying for this, what a piss take.

[El Presidente]

That is really rich coming from you of all people, well done, how to make an even bigger arse of yourself in two sentences.

To be fair to Jimbo, it was a naff thing to do, and I do regret it in hindsight, although in my defence there were a lot of fans doing the same .

But thanks for the support Frank

 

[BigGully]

But how do we not facilitate her preference? She has clearly exploited a loophole here. one of the links I posted earlier, el presidente and ForkMe's posts suggested that those exploiting these loopholes were not significant enough to worry about. So the question is what is the alternative?

We facilitate her preference by having the loophole !!!

 

[El Presidente]

We facilitate her preference by having the loophole !!!

Then perhaps we should tighten the rules rather than castigate her (not that I am saying you have done that)?

 

[BadFish]

We facilitate her preference by having the loophole !!!

What worries me is the repercussions of closing the loop hole. Do we want to check peoples identity and ability to pay before we begin medical procedures?

 

[BigGully]

Then perhaps we should tighten the rules rather than castigate her (not that I am saying you have done that)?

I haven't castigated her, I think it was a selfish action without thought to others by her, no doubt.

She had no right to access this care at a real cost to our NHS, £200 000 has been sucked out of the system.

You may tolerate the odd mismanaged millions being given to her and others but it is grossly unfair.

You console yourself in the delusion of compassion and a political tolerance, but think about it.

Its an action of the comparative privileged, why should she and not others within her community have access to our NHS.

Why should she benefit due to her own comparative wealth, criminality and/or cunning whilst her colleagues make do with the local hospital.

If it was the other way round and we were the average Nigerians accessing only poor health care, your thoughts on her enjoying free world class health care would be oh so different.

 

[bhaexpress]

To be fair to Jimbo, it was a naff thing to do, and I do regret it in hindsight, although in my defence there were a lot of fans doing the same .

But thanks for the support Frank

Okay, now get your arse to Coventry !

 

[adrian29uk]

Nobody minds people coming here to work legally, pay their taxes and follow our rules. Unfortunately we have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants in this country. We don't know how many of these are working illegally. They have no status. But when the authorities catch up with them, the thing that annoys most people is when they use immigration lawyers to fight deportation.

At the end of the day the rules are clear. If you are not from Europe you simply cannot turn up and live here. And if you come here illegally as far as I concerned you have lost any rights whatsoever to appeal against deportation. There is nothing wrong with is.

 

[BigGully]

What worries me is the repercussions of closing the loop hole. Do we want to check peoples identity and ability to pay before we begin medical procedures?

I recognise the difficulties, but each procedure already has some level of ability to pay for us anyway, its called a budget, a referral, a new scanner, specialist equipment and hospital beds these are constant repercussions.

Their actions effect us already.

 

[BadFish]

I recognise the difficulties, but each procedure already has some level of ability to pay for us anyway, its called a budget, a referral, a new scanner, specialist equipment and hospital beds these are constant repercussions.

Their actions effect us already.

So if we are talking about this one case. What would you have done? and what would you do now?

 

[keaton]

Nobody minds people coming here to work legally, pay their taxes and follow our rules.

I reckon a fair few on this board do mind

 

[BigGully]

So if we are talking about this one case. What would you have done? and what would you do now?

Assuming she has some comparative wealth to buy the ticket in the first place, why not insure herself for her proposed short stay.

Its what we all do if we choose international travel.

If she cannot access suitable insurance then stay at home with the other 150 million or so Nigerians and use the care that others access.

If she then bamboozles the airline, either send her home immediately or if she turns up in labour somewhere, sue the airlines for the amount it has cost.

I think procedure and accountability would improve.

Before you think this seems harsh, please don't worry as to me it is infinitely easier than to decline medicine for dementia, liver cancer and other treatments that might prolong and improve the lives of those British Citizens that have paid in to the system for so long.

 

[El Presidente]

I haven't castigated her

I said that you hadn't.

 

[El Presidente]

Before you think this seems harsh, please don't worry as to me it is infinitely easier than to decline medicine for dementia, liver cancer and other treatments that might prolong and improve the lives of those British Citizens that have paid in to the system for so long.

What about British citizens who have not paid into the system, and who have just leeched from it?

 

[BigGully]

What about British citizens who have not paid into the system, and who have just leeched from it?

They are British Citizens so they are covered, I have the same frustration with those that play the system here, it has its effects.

But not sure why that might justify more draining of our resources by others from different countries ?

 

[fork me]

Personally, I try to read both sides from the media.

Do you?[/QUOTE
Really

Yes, I can also use quote tags properly.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Nobody minds people coming here to work legally, pay their taxes and follow our rules. Unfortunately we have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants in this country. We don't know how many of these are working illegally. They have no status. But when the authorities catch up with them, the thing that annoys most people is when they use immigration lawyers to fight deportation

It's not immigration laws but that stupid "Yuman Rites" they use which Labour kindly signed us up too before parting office!

 

[fork me]

But hold on and think a bit ....

You are becoming REALLY tedious, I am the only one doing ANY thinking in this discussion.

You have mentioned that this lady from Nigeria without any previous link to this country was entitled to come and receive this medical care, to a cost of something like £200,000 but I as a contributing British National and others wouldn't be entitled to the same if we then lived outside of England for 5 years.

ANYONE is entitled to emergency care. Which is what she got. Don't worry if you were pregnant with quins and already here you would get treatment.

Do you think this is likely ? If so why would you expect African citizens to access our NHS whilst we couldn't ?

I don't.

Read things properly, if you are capable, which, given your perfomance so far, I seriously doubt.

What I don't quite understand from you, is what you think is fair and appropriate and what isn't.

To be fair, you don't seem to be capable of understanding much. READ the legislation, I linked to it to make it easy for you.

My view is clear, nationals from other countries should NOT have unfettered access to our medical care without accountability

Then I'm sure that, should you ever bother to read the legislation, which I even linked to for you, you'll be relieved to realise that they don't.

whilst we the tax payer fund it, especially if their own country cannot reciprocate.

Same old, same old. TRY READING THE LINK!!!!!!!!

I don't think this is a particularly revolutionary stance, it just allows our own nationals access to our own health service of which we fund.

As I already said READ THE LINK, you'll find that what you're demanding is ALREADY IN PLACE. It really isn't f***ing difficult. Read up on the facts, rather than the bullshit printed iin the Mail and Sun.

Without safeguards it remains that any abuse of this system will unavoidably effect the level of care of others, others that by virtue of being a citizen and/or contributor through taxation rightly feel they should access without fear of limitation.

Get a grip/

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

To be fair to Jimbo, it was a naff thing to do, and I do regret it in hindsight, although in my defence there were a lot of fans doing the same .

But thanks for the support Frank

Meant in jest mate, life is too short. Best regards Jimbo

 

[Seagull on the wing]

It does'nt just come down to her having children in this country free,she will now put in to live here, saying that her children were born here and she has a right to a family life ,then send for her husband who will claim that he has family here,then he will send for his parents (if still alive) and ad infinitum.

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

What worries me is the repercussions of closing the loop hole. Do we want to check peoples identity and ability to pay before we begin medical procedures?

I may be slightly niaive here but isn't that what British Citizens have to do if travelling outside of Europe. I totally agree with an earlier poster, fine the bloomin airlines who don't run their stringent checks as they should do. I'm not heartless but a realist and this type of thing cant continue to happen. £200k so far, then its onto the welfare state probably stripping over a million pounds if not much more having contributed nothing. As a country the reality is we are skint, the people treating her a facing pay cuts/freezes, whilst living costs go up every day. We don't look after our pensioners and yet she can just mozzy into Britain, no questions asked. I bet she know's how to use her phone to ring her family and friends in Lagos advising how easy it is to do what she has done.