When did NSC suddenly become so right wing?

[Stoo82]

Bugger, I've been voting for the wrong party for the last 45 years.
Or is the original hypotheses correct and we are all becoming more lefty.

Or, the party you vote for are not as right winged as people think in the first place and are, shock horror quite liberal.

 

[Bozza]

NSC belongs to me, as such it's always been right wing. Thread closed.

 

[Prettyboyshaw]

Shut it you lefty poof!

 

[El Presidente]

Try The Political Compass and take the test. I am slightly right-wing and slightly authoritarian, probably a lot less than some on here would believe. It's an interesting one to take. I get my students to do it in the first week of the Government and Policies unit - they tell me what they think they are, and then they do the test and see where they come out. They are never as extreme as they believe they are...They also take the British Citizenship test - and only two students have ever passed it, one of which was a second generation Bangladeshi. Always nice to let them see the wood for the trees considering how blinkered they can become in their first 16 years of life...


Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.28

I must confess I have never thought you to be particularly right wing, and without wanting to appear to be sucking up to you, have always read your posts with interest, as you can construct an argument, and your former Neo Nazi connections fascinate me. I've always had you down as the Edward Norton character from American X

I completed the test, and always thought myself to be a bit of a wet liberal, and this may confirm it

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10

 

[Dandyman]

NSC belongs to me, as such it's always been right wing. Thread closed.

Are n't you a 5th column of the Kernow Liberation Front ?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Basically most people fall to the middle or to the left on that scale, because most people deep down are good souls.

And yet a lot of people vote against what might be described as their best economic interests and vote for the right-wing party on a small number of marquee issues, easily defined in the US as 'God, Guns and Gays', but similar issues exist here. Even when the right wing party is in power they won't do anything about those issues because they'll essentially lose their raison d'etre.

Interesting book on the subject titled (I think) 'What's the matter with Kansas?'

 

[ROSM]

Basically most people fall to the middle or to the left on that scale, because most people deep down are good souls.

And yet a lot of people vote against what might be described as their best economic interests and vote for the right-wing party on a small number of marquee issues, easily defined in the US as 'God, Guns and Gays', but similar issues exist here. Even when the right wing party is in power they won't do anything about those issues because they'll essentially lose their raison d'etre.

Interesting book on the subject titled (I think) 'What's the matter with Kansas?'

excellent point. This was also covered in the analysis of the 1992 election as to why the pollsters thought labout would win but John Major was triumphant. It is around how people perceived they should be seen to vote when polled as opposed to how they actually did.

It is also why, historically, the Tories have always performed better in election than they do in polls (with the exception of the most recent one).

 

[e77]

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.05

 

[Bakero]

Basically most people fall to the middle or to the left on that scale, because most people deep down are good souls.

And yet a lot of people vote against what might be described as their best economic interests and vote for the right-wing party on a small number of marquee issues, easily defined in the US as 'God, Guns and Gays', but similar issues exist here. Even when the right wing party is in power they won't do anything about those issues because they'll essentially lose their raison d'etre.

 

[User removed 4]

You live in the Czech Republic? You've never mentioned this before.

 

[e77]

While I don't agree with a lot of his solutions, Blair is right in his analysis that you need to hold the middle ground to win elections now and I think the consensus in the last twenty years has moved to the left on social issues and to he right on economic matters.

Certainly Labour were working towards something broadly similar to the proposed changes to Welfare.

 

[Brovion]

Doesn't banning, curtailing and regulating make them 'Authoritarian' - i.e right wing there too?

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I think you've missed the point a bit- it's not just left and right. I thought you were about to beat me to making my point but then you seem to suggest Authoritarian policies are the preserve of the left. There are 4 categories:

Libertarian Right
Libertarian Left
Authoritarian Right
Authoritarian Left

So, if you say the New Labour government were right wing economically and they were authoritarian then that makes them Authoritarian Right....

Nothing left wing about them.

Yeah, fair points guys, I guess on that graph that might have come over as Authoritarian-Right. My reason for saying Authoritarian Left was that there Authoritarian-ness (to coin a word) was often presented with a type of left-wing wrapping: smoking in pubs was banned to preserve the health of bar workers for example. Jokes against muslims were not to be tolerated as we shouldn't make fun of different cultures.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Kalimantan - saw the documentary about this and you've reminded me to buy the book. Lots of second hand copies on Amazon for a couple of quid. Staggering how using cause related strategies the most liberal state in the US became so right wing.

 

[fire&skill]

Try The Political Compass and take the test

I'm down with Mandela and The Dalai Lama which surprises me because I hate that African terrorist and that slanty-eyed peacemonger.

That was a joke by the way.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

i'm always right

 

[Dave the OAP]

Blimey I have never thought myself as a Ghandi type person.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

 

[Silent Bob]

If you look at the polls on here there's always been a fairly even split between left and right, and on things like hanging a fairly even split between string em up merchants and bleeding heart liberals.

I guess the right wing view seem more prevalent on here at the moment because it's 'their' party that are in government. If you did a poll now the split would still be fairly even, some right leaning posters would still think they're alone among a sea of lefties, and vice versa.

 

[Pantani]

Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77

Seriously left wing and libertarian. Not surprised really but these tests do not represent the grey areas very well.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77

Seriously left wing and libertarian. Not surprised really but these tests do not represent the grey areas very well.

shut it trotski

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

its all about what you believe in ,some people are more tollerent and relaxed about life , others feel a need to change things, nothing wrong in that is there