Heroin users are NOT 'junkies'

[Malcolm Millichip]

The thing is that nobody forces somebody to start drinking, taking drugs or gambling or any other addiction, the problem is initially with the individual. Mind you that spawns other problems like dealers, bookies, loan sharks, pimps and so on but at the end of the day what started it ?

Heroin and other dugs are illegal for a good reason, it's no secret that they don't do you any good. Drink and gambling are legal and they creep up on you but whatever, you can stop by not starting.

shut up you blithering idiot.

 

[bhaexpress]

shut up you blithering idiot.

Why, am I interfering with your wanking ?

 

[brakespear]

The Daily Mash - JUNKIES TO BE RENAMED 'HEROIN BUFFS'

 

[bhaexpress]

But the rarely START using heroin. The start on something else (most common by far - alcohol) and by the time the reach heroin their addiction is chugging along nicely just looking for new opportunities.

We all start somewhere but most of us know when to stop.

 

[bhaexpress]

Goodness knows what hearing the word "smackhead" would do to them then.

Let alone 'filthy f***ing scum' of course. However, as I'm sure both you and BAG will attest said 'unfortunates' don't tend to be too moderate in their descriptions of others.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

We all start somewhere but most of us know when to stop.

But then you are not an addict. They may know it is injurious but they cannot stop. This is what makes them an addict and you a social user/drinker.

 

[Notters]

So remember folks its, "A heroin user just smashed my car window and helped himself to my radio, a heroin user just shoplifted a stack of perfume from Boots, a heroin user just burgled my house and violated my property, a heroin user just mugged me in the street for my money", please don't go upsetting them by calling them 'junkies'. What planet are these faceless report writers on?

You're saying this as if you should be angry with an addict smashing your car window and nicking your radio. Do you not even know the meaning of the word "addict?" They don't do it through choice and they need help not demonising.

 

[bhaexpress]

But then you are not an addict. They may know it is injurious but they cannot stop. This is what makes them an addict and you a social user/drinker.

I wasn't saying that. The point I was making is that we all know addicts can't help themselves, that's no secret. However most of us have got drunk and quite a few of us have taken drugs. However most of us knew we couldn't keep doing so as much as we may have enjoyed it we needed to be able to function. Addicts get that way as they start off enjoying their highs but they want to keep doing so and thus go beyond the point where they can stop.

The rest of us have to attempt to stay sober to do such mundane things as go to school or work. Look at it this way, if those of us who are not 'narcotically challenged' didn't stay sober and go out to work how would we be able to buy things that others could steal ?

 

[Nibble]

I wasn't saying that. The point I was making is that we all know addicts can't help themselves, that's no secret. However most of us have got drunk and quite a few of us have taken drugs. However most of us knew we couldn't keep doing so as much as we may have enjoyed it we needed to be able to function. Addicts get that way as they start off enjoying their highs but they want to keep doing so and thus go beyond the point where they can stop.

The rest of us have to attempt to stay sober to do such mundane things as go to school or work. Look at it this way, if those of us who are not 'narcotically challenged' didn't stay sober and go out to work how would we be able to buy things that others could steal ?

You say you work for NHS and have worked with drug addicts so you know more about it. Did you ever stop to consider the fact that heroin treatment/illegality in this country is a dismal failure. A failure to both addict and the communities they damage and that perhaps part of the cause of the failure is because of people working with addicts , people like you, have shortsighted, archaic attitudes and you CLEARLY don't understand the first thing about addiction judging by the above comments.

 

[bhaexpress]

You say you work for NHS and have worked with drug addicts so you know more about it. Did you ever stop to consider the fact that heroin treatment/illegality in this country is a dismal failure. A failure to both addict and the communities they damage and that perhaps part of the cause of the failure is because of people working with addicts , people like you, have shortsighted, archaic attitudes and you CLEARLY don't understand the first thing about addiction judging by the above comments.

Oh f*** me, Nibble is on his high horse again, isn't it about time you got banned again ? Where did I ever claim that the system works ? I am merely pointing out that whilst most of us stay of the straight and narrow just why should we be expected to sponsor those who chose to take drugs ? Fine if they are prepared to have treatment then give them all the help you can but if they don't want to accept treatment why the hell should they get anything ? Do you expect the state to caryy you if you decided not to work for whatever reason ?

I love the way you say ' perhaps part of the cause of the failure is because of people working with addicts'. Well, what else do they expect ? Somebody has to do something, what to you do ? Nothing I expect. Addicts whether they can help it or not are not reliable or trustworthy and that makes it difficult for anybody who has to deal with them but of course I'm sure an know it all like you is already aware of that.

Tell you what, instead of ranting like the idiot you portray so well why not read the whole thread ?

 

[Nibble]

Oh f*** me, Nibble is on his high horse again, isn't it about time you got banned again ? Where did I ever claim that the system works ? I am merely pointing out that whilst most of us stay of the straight and narrow just why should we be expected to sponsor those who chose to take drugs ? Fine if they are prepared to have treatment then give them all the help you can but if they don't want to accept treatment why the hell should they get anything ? Do you expect the state to caryy you if you decided not to work for whatever reason ?

I love the way you say ' perhaps part of the cause of the failure is because of people working with addicts'. Well, what else do they expect ? Somebody has to do something, what to you do ? Nothing I expect. Addicts whether they can help it or not are not reliable or trustworthy and that makes it difficult for anybody who has to deal with them but of course I'm sure an know it all like you is already aware of that.

Tell you what, instead of ranting like the idiot you portray so well why not read the whole thread ?

Everything alrigh at home? You eating properly?

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Oh f*** me, Nibble is on his high horse again, isn't it about time you got banned again ? Where did I ever claim that the system works ? I am merely pointing out that whilst most of us stay of the straight and narrow just why should we be expected to sponsor those who chose to take drugs ? Fine if they are prepared to have treatment then give them all the help you can but if they don't want to accept treatment why the hell should they get anything ? Do you expect the state to caryy you if you decided not to work for whatever reason ?

I love the way you say ' perhaps part of the cause of the failure is because of people working with addicts'. Well, what else do they expect ? Somebody has to do something, what to you do ? Nothing I expect. Addicts whether they can help it or not are not reliable or trustworthy and that makes it difficult for anybody who has to deal with them but of course I'm sure an know it all like you is already aware of that.

Tell you what, instead of ranting like the idiot you portray so well why not read the whole thread ?

The nub of addiction is contained somewhere in this. At one point you say "whether they can help it or not" and at another that they are exercising choice in the matter. If you believe that drug addiction is simply a matter of choice then how you think it should be addressed is going to differ from if you think the addict cannot help it or is in the grip of a compulsion that negates choice. From the above it is unclear which you believe. From bitter personal experience and the shared experience of many, many others I know it to be the latter.

However which ever view one takes it is clear the current approach doesn't work. I am not sure if any other approach is going to be better but it is surely worth a try.

 

[Malcolm Millichip]

We all start somewhere but most of us know when to stop.

Apart from you and yacking it seems.

 

[Easy 10]

You're saying this as if you should be angry with an addict smashing your car window and nicking your radio. Do you not even know the meaning of the word "addict?" They don't do it through choice and they need help not demonising.

If some skunked-up crackhead smashed my car window and nicked my satnav so that he could pay for his next hit, I'm not sure that help and/or sympathy for his plight and addiction would be top of my list of immediate reactions.

 

[Silent Bob]

Addiction is a medical problem and until we treat it as such addicts will contiue to be forced into petty crime and prostitution to pay for their habit.

 

[bhaexpress]

Apart from you and yacking it seems.

Well I do feel that a retard like you needs to be spoken to, even if you're not capable of making any sense. I suppose abuse is all you can manage because let's face it you're an expert at self abuse.

Instead of insults try explaining your point of view then you won't look like such an idiot.

 

[bhaexpress]

The nub of addiction is contained somewhere in this. At one point you say "whether they can help it or not" and at another that they are exercising choice in the matter. If you believe that drug addiction is simply a matter of choice then how you think it should be addressed is going to differ from if you think the addict cannot help it or is in the grip of a compulsion that negates choice. From the above it is unclear which you believe. From bitter personal experience and the shared experience of many, many others I know it to be the latter.

However which ever view one takes it is clear the current approach doesn't work. I am not sure if any other approach is going to be better but it is surely worth a try.

No, what I am saying is that how does one become an addict ? Do they get forced ? It's a matter of choice is it not ? Nobody sets out to become an addict I'm sure but unless you're a complete moron you know that certain substances will make you an addict so the best thing to do is not take them.

getting back to it as I keep saying although some of the simpletoms on here have trouble reading it's one thing to have an addiction but seek help to get off it but it's another matter entirely to refuse help, that's the point when they cease to be victims.

 

[perseus]

Scum

Let alone 'filthy f***ing scum' of course. However, as I'm sure both you and BAG will attest said 'unfortunates' don't tend to be too moderate in their descriptions of others.

Don't denigrate scumbags. Scum are much nicer (less horrid) people than heroin addicts.

 

[Nibble]

getting back to it as I keep saying although some of the simpletoms on here have trouble reading it's one thing to have an addiction but seek help to get off it but it's another matter entirely to refuse help, that's the point when they cease to be victims.

I agree that it would be ideal if all addicts went and got help. I think though just because an addict doesn't seek help does not mean they don't want it. A lot of addicts suffer from extreme low self opinion and seeking help can exasperate this feeling. I'm sure there are myriad reasons why addicts don't always seek help. The fear of losing a massive part of their life, a part that they believe is all the have. The fear of simply not having their drug of choice and the fear of failure all come into play I think. Some addicts actually believe they are worthless and feel they deserve the life they have fallen into and being an addict, taking part in self destructive behaviour is what they feel they are worth.
Also taking money away from an addict will never stop them being an addict, mainly because money is not their motivation.

 

[Scampi]

Mate, I know it might bother your politically correct sensibilities but not for the first time you've made an assumption which is very wrong, from having to work with junkies as well as having worked in the NHS not to mention the number of relatives who have similar experience I do know a lot more about this that you clearly do.

The plain fact is that heroin users chose to START taking heroin despite the facts about the damage it can and does do. These are well known to anybody who can read and to most people who can't.

Why do you honestly think we as a society have much time for people who knowing do themselves harm ? Granted that can be said of drinkers, smokers, obesity and people who participate in dangerous sports. There is one very significant difference between them and drug addicts, namely that they seldom commit crime to support themselves and even those who so are very rarely habitual criminals.

Oh ffs will you stop labelling everyone who doesn't share your views as a politically correct leftie. It's impossible to have a debate with you, because you believe you know everything and then smear anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow defintion.

read my post again and tell me where it expresses sympathy for drug addicts. You say you work with junkies yet your post displays a very superficial understanding of the issues.

I'm wondering what you did in the NHS, were you a cleaner?