It’s been merged now just to confuse Reform voters that hate Father Ted, The Charlatans and HMV
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It’s been merged now just to confuse Reform voters that hate Father Ted, The Charlatans and HMV
- Oct 19, 2003
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Shame that was a great thread.
I know. Why couldn't they just have used the national inquiry the Tories started?
Oh.
- Oct 19, 2003
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That Quilliam shit was debunked years ago wasn't it?Can you provide a source for that ?, I don't think anyone would dispute CSE being mainly perpetrated by white british given the large majority in this country but the below link gives credence to the view that there is an over representation of asian minorities committing the group child sexual abuse when viewed as a percentage of population. Hopefully the new finding from the report to produce better demographic data of both offenders and victims will answer a grey area question.
If you read further down the statements are:
Whilst the Children’s Commissioner for England did not make a distinction between groups and gangs, it described Asian and Black offenders as being seen as perpetrators of group-based CSE in proportions greater than expected from their proportions of the general population, and in greater proportions than when looking at all forms of CSE (ibid.). Combined with the fact that ethnicity was frequently unknown or unrecorded and that a large number of police forces did not make a return, this dataset is therefore only partial and unsuitable for generalisation. Additionally, it is worth noting that law enforcement data are particularly vulnerable to bias, in terms of which cases come to the attention of authorities, and this can impact the generalisability of such data (Cockbain et al., 2020).
CEOP analysed 2,379 people referred for alleged involvement in ’localised grooming’; some of these will have been CSE. Of these, 1,162 people had to be excluded from the analysis due to a lack of basic information about them, showing the lack of consistent and detailed recording in some areas. When ethnicity was examined for the remaining 1,217 individuals, it was found that 30% were White and 28% were Asian. However, with a further 38% of alleged offenders being of unknown ethnicity, it is not possible to draw any firm conclusions from these figures (CEOP, 2011).
Both CEOP and the Children’s Commissioner for England’s studies demonstrate that offending is not solely an Asian problem, but problems with the data make them unsuitable for drawing further conclusions. The Drew review found that 65.1% of CSE suspects identified between January 2014 and January 2016 were White North European (with a further 2.4% being White South European), 19.1% were Asian, 3.7% were Black and 4.3% were ‘Other’. However, ethnicity was not known or recorded in 5.3% of cases and these proportions were not compared with local populations (Drew, 2016). Regardless, these numbers further dispute the idea of offending being unique to one ethnic group.
Research by Quilliam asserted that 84% of 264 offenders convicted for grooming gang offences between 2005 and 2017 were Asian, 8% were Black, 7% were White and 1% were of unknown ethnicity (Rafiq and Adil, 2017). This figure of 84% has been widely repeated as academic evidence for an extreme over-representation of Asian offenders despite a lack of clarity about sampling and data analysis methods (Cockbain and Tufail, 2020). For example, the authors identify 264 offenders, but do not specify how they were found, or how their ethnicity was categorised. These findings are therefore not suitable for drawing conclusions about ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders.
So long ago I cant even recall the details.
schmunk
Well-used member
It was just a joke... I haven't used a CD or DVD in about 10 years.
- Oct 19, 2003
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I need someone to explain to me why the Tories are attacking Labour for being slow. They have not been in government for a year yet. What was the delay post 2022 for them? I might have missed an explanation of why they could not do it.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
Time to stop saying " Oh, what about the Tories, why didn't they do it blah blah..."
We all know the last Tory Govt. was probably the worst since WW2, shocking, incompetent and got rightly booted out.
The Tory party is, in its current form, finished.
Problem for me, as a centrist, is that Starmer should not have said that those calling for a National Inquiry were 'Far Right'.
All everyone wants is the truth, and those responsible for the cover up to be punished.
As Maggie Oliver says this morning:
"This is about gross criminal neglect at the top of policing, at the top of government, at the top of social services."
Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Personally I would like things to put in place to stop this happening. I struggle to see why the recommendations from the last inquiry cannot be actioned AND another more thorough and hard hitting inquiry done, if that is what is deemed necessary. Add to this a shit more funding for the necessary services and the education system (especially programs that deal with sex, sexuality, relationships and consent (all that woke shit).
May be this is me wanting to have my cake and eat it but there you go.
It's brilliant that reform and the far right what to support the programs and institutions that will protect young girls from this stuff. Although I must have missed these kinds of funding pledges in their manifesto.
The problem is that the original calls for an inquiry were mainly coming from Tommy Robinson and his supporters who ARE 'Far Right'.
Braverman in particular didn't seem to have a problem echoing Reform and going further to the right, yet the Tories obviously felt that giving in to the likes of Tommy Ten Names might have been problematic.
However, Starmer has acted immediately on a recommendation by Louise Casey. I'm not really sure how a "centrist" has an issue with agreeing to a recommendation from someone like Casey but not responding to rioters in Southport or social media posts from Yaxley-Lennon and the Nazi saluting Musk.
I think it's in response to the Tories calling them slow rather than whataboutery.
The thing is, this shouldn't be used as a political tool by any side. Yes, the far right have weaponised it, but that's irrelevant. It's on everyone to fix it
Ike and Tina Burner
Well-known member
- Mar 22, 2019
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In some cases victims of these gangs describe hundreds of abusers assaulting them but only a handful were then actually convicted. Back and forth arguing about statistics is completely pointless on that basis alone.
From the Byline Times.
www.bylinesupplement.com
The dead cat bounce explained.
Bearly Newsworthy: The Right Wing Newspapers Resurrecting Dead Cats
The news this week has been chock full of stories designed to distract you from the important things that are actually happening in the country right now
www.bylinesupplement.com
The dead cat bounce explained.
- Oct 19, 2003
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I find this a weird take. I don't see how ignoring the spreading of the very misinformation that has politicised the girls suffering and used it for nefarious ends does them any favours.
I hope that this national inquiry takes a far less cavalier approach to the facts than you obviously do.
Not least your idea of 'back and forth'. My pointing out that the posters information was years out of date was literally my first involvement in the 'statistics', I was happy talking about the Charlatans and buying records.
Hey with the kids. Vinyl’s back now
- Oct 19, 2003
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Excellent articleFrom the Byline Times.
Bearly Newsworthy: The Right Wing Newspapers Resurrecting Dead Cats
The news this week has been chock full of stories designed to distract you from the important things that are actually happening in the country right now
The dead cat bounce explained.
pocketseagull
Well-known member
- Dec 29, 2014
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Machiavelli
Well-known member
It is an excellent article. Unfortunately those that need to read it won't.From the Byline Times.
Bearly Newsworthy: The Right Wing Newspapers Resurrecting Dead Cats
The news this week has been chock full of stories designed to distract you from the important things that are actually happening in the country right now
The dead cat bounce explained.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
From a left leaning publication?