[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[Weststander]

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I can understand the 66% who didn't vote for them not being particularly impressed, but they seem to have dropped from 33.7% voters in the GE to just 16% support now. Quite strange.

1. Huge own goals eg WFP which would've very much have affected Labour voters.
2. Impatience. The young and not so young who need affordable homes, today or tomorrow, they don't see any change. Obviously after 25 years of it being kicked down the road, it wasn't to change in 11 months, but that doesn't help the sentiment for people in despair.
3. Employment in well paid jobs. Nothing has happened, in fact the ers NIC rise meant that employers aren't taking on staff. Again, partly not Labour's fault, decades of not following the wonderful German apprenticeship route has come home to roost.
4. Incumbent governments soon get a kicking, all bad news magnified. The honeymoon after 1997 a rarity.

 

[Titanic]

4. Incumbent governments soon get a kicking, all bad news magnified. The honeymoon after 1997 a rarity.

Comparing this lot to Blair, Brown, Prescott, Mowlem, Beckett, Cook, Straw, Blunkett et al and Mandelson pulling the strings, perhaps it's not too surprising.

#thingscanonlygetbetter

 

[Weststander]

Comparing this lot to Blair, Brown, Prescott, Mowlem, Beckett, Cook, Straw, Blunkett et al and Mandelson pulling the strings, perhaps it's not too surprising.

#thingscanonlygetbetter

There were really good politicians and brains in and around that cabinet. Also Darling (not you ) , Reid. But helped by a growing economy masterfully overseen by Ken Clarke.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Comparing this lot to Blair, Brown, Prescott, Mowlem, Beckett, Cook, Straw, Blunkett et al and Mandelson pulling the strings, perhaps it's not too surprising.

#thingscanonlygetbetter

And they came into a comparatively stable and growing economy, not the total shitstorm that the current Government inherited.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Comparing this lot to Blair, Brown, Prescott, Mowlem, Beckett, Cook, Straw, Blunkett et al and Mandelson pulling the strings, perhaps it's not too surprising.

#thingscanonlygetbetter

But comparing Starmer, Raynor, Reeves, Cooper, Miliband, Mahmood, Streeting etc to Johnson, Truss, Badenoch, Patel, Kwarteng, Braverman, Hancock etc comes out a little differently.

#thingsweregettingworsedaily

 

[chip]

And today's Guardian Labour planning/environment story is:

Labour using Brexit to weaken nature laws, MPs say

Clive Lewis says he will vote against planning bill amid concerns it will let developers build over precious habitats

www.theguardian.com

 

[beorhthelm]

It may be what you mean, but no one is going to be saying "GDP is up, and ahead of most of the G7, therefore Labour can have my vote."

People want to feel better off (which growth can help with), and if they feel better off they are more likely to vote for what they see as a winning formula.

building, construction, has very direct effect on growth, lots of employment, lots of visible change. some of course dont like that and that's why so little occurs (relative to the need) and their view determined too much for too long. if Labour pull their finger out it can lead to meaningful GDP growth and wider population will feel better. postive action, positive outlook. if they dont, we'll roll up to the next election with the opposition listing a string of broken promises and if GDP is weak it will make the case for change, any change.

 

[Weststander]

building, construction, has very direct effect on growth, lots of employment, lots of visible change. some of course dont like that and that's why so little occurs (relative to the need) and their view determined too much for too long. if Labour pull their finger out it can lead to meaningful GDP growth and wider population will feel better. postive action, positive outlook. if they dont, we'll roll up to the next election with the opposition listing a string of broken promises and if GDP is weak it will make the case for change, any change.

It is crucial to almost everything:
- desperately needed new homes
- training people in vocational skills for life, as was the way from at least 1945 to the early 90's recession, in well paid professions and trades
- virtuous spins off such as some of those highly skilled folk set up businesses that employ and might even export. I know people who went to vocational colleges in either the 50's, 60;'s, 70's etc who ended up setting up successful electrical engineering companies.

 

[Guinness Boy]

But comparing Starmer, Raynor, Reeves, Cooper, Miliband, Mahmood, Streeting etc to Johnson, Truss, Badenoch, Patel, Kwarteng, Braverman, Hancock etc comes out a little differently.

#thingsweregettingworsedaily

It should probably go on the Tory meltdown thread, but Mel Stride has now apologised to the nation for Liz Truss and the mini budget.

Not sure anyone will have to do that with Reeves in three years time but let's see.

 

[Is it PotG?]

It should probably go on the Tory meltdown thread, but Mel Stride has now apologised to the nation for Liz Truss and the mini budget.

Not sure anyone will have to do that with Reeves in three years time but let's see.

I’m sure Raquel from Accounts will have performed about another 20 U-turns by then…..definitely to placate the potential voters.

 

[Bodian]

Scottish Labour win pivotal Holyrood byelection, beating incumbent SNP and surging Reform UK

Labour celebrated the ‘incredible’ win in the central seat of Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse, as voters rallied around popular local candidate Davy Russell

www.theguardian.com

 

[Super Steve Earle]

It should probably go on the Tory meltdown thread, but Mel Stride has now apologised to the nation for Liz Truss and the mini budget.

Not sure anyone will have to do that with Reeves in three years time but let's see.

The way things are going, it will be fewer than 3 years.

 

[Weststander]

Sarwar is proving highly effective. The bookies/SNP/pollsters all got the Hamilton woefully wrong, right to wire calling it a two horse race between Deform and the SNP.

 

[nevergoagain]

Another one bites the dust

Tameside councillor quits Labour Party amid WhatsApp investigation

Charlotte Martin, who represents Audenshaw, resigned as she remains suspended pending an investigation into the Trigger Me Timbers WhatsApp group.

www.tamesidecorrespondent.co.uk

 

[n1 gull]

Jesus wept. What part of "this has already been done" do people not understand?!

To reiterate: IICSA was a 7-year statutory and independent inquiry. Statutory means that when the Inquiry called someone to give evidence, their participation was mandatory. It included investigations related to all three of the categories you mention above, as well as many others. Every single one of these reports is available. They expose exactly what the failings have been across British institutions for decades, and proposed specific remedies for them.

Please, click this link and see for yourself:

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation.html

Let's take the report specific to allegations about CSA in Westminster itself. Within that report there's a list of everyone the inquiry requested documents or witness statements from, or who was called to give testimony. It includes, quite literally, the good, the bad and the ugly of the British establishment.

Annex 1: Overview of process and evidence obtained by the Inquiry

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), led by Prof. Alexis Jay, is investigating the extent to which institutions in England and Wales failed to protect children from sexual abuse.

www.iicsa.org.uk

So, please tell us, what is it specifically that this Inquiry didn't achieve that you would like a new one to do? Expose police, social services and politicians how??

The Times says Starmer will be forced to hold a national inquiry into Pakistani grooming gangs as Baroness Casey’s month long audit into the scandal ( published next week) demands it, saying white girls were “ institutionally ignored for fear of racism.”

 

[Bozza]

The Times says Starmer will be forced to hold a national inquiry into Pakistani grooming gangs as Baroness Casey’s month long audit into the scandal ( published next week) demands it, saying white girls were “ institutionally ignored for fear of racism.”

Sir Keir Starmer announces national inquiry into grooming gangs

Sir Keir Starmer said he had accepted the recommendations of an audit into the nature and scale of the abuse.

www.bbc.co.uk

(I only posted this here as it was the first thread returned when I searched for "grooming")

 

[Weststander]

Sir Keir Starmer announces national inquiry into grooming gangs

Sir Keir Starmer said he had accepted the recommendations of an audit into the nature and scale of the abuse.

www.bbc.co.uk

(I only posted this here as it was the first thread returned when I searched for "grooming")

Probably done for politics, still very welcome and obvious. The abuse was systemic, sometimes involving local councillors and widespread across many communities. Very specific, usually but not always Pakistani-British men with a disdain as human beings for vulnerable children. A full and thorough enquiry will get to the core issues, hopefully meaning lessons will be learnt nationwide eg by police forces … believe and protect kids!

 

[n1 gull]

As some silly old sod once said, I salute your Indefatigability

I'm just wondering how many more attempts you are going to make to explain this in increasingly simpler terms until the penny finally drops, at which point you'll be called patronising or condescending

anything to say?

 

[Is it PotG?]

anything to say?

He's still trying to edit that post .....

 

[n1 gull]

Good on you for doing it too. You can't make it much clearer for him but I guess he'll keep doubling down.

Yep I kept doubling down and now we finally have the enquiry. Anything you want to say?